WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:15.000 Hello, today we met Haruna, this is Walter, I mean today we met, your name, Haruna, ok. 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:23.000 So recently one of your tweets asked about Baro, so what's that, can you tell us about that? 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:31.000 Yeah, so we are building, our product is called Goraz, it targets for anyone who plays AAA games, so it's a multi-agent, 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:37.000 so the user will be just like a game designer, and prompt you or show you what you want in your internet to work, 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:46.000 and the agent can directly synchronously work everything out for you, and we really open source 2D spreadsheets and products, 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:54.000 so the user can just use codecs and connect it with our pre-built agent, and they can directly get the 2D spreadsheet they want, 00:00:54.000 --> 00:01:01.000 which is playable, and put it inside of the background, and it becomes a little bit, they get a lot of attention online, 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:06.000 so we just publish it, so it's pretty tricky. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:09.000 There are about, how many views? 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:20.000 I think it would be like 500,000, yeah, because we do not spend any cost inside of it, 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:29.000 but there are many influencers from TikTok, or Instagram, or like almost everywhere we find those reports about us, but yeah. 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:33.000 So what's so funny, what's so funny about Go Baro? 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:40.000 I think it's not fair enough, so it needs to be more like, attention please. 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.000 Ah, okay. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:51.000 So, I think that was quite long, so what you were building, can we explain in simpler? 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.000 Like simple? 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.000 Simpler, what you were building. 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:08.000 So, it's just for, I mean, I'm not sure everyone here is ever playing video games, or enjoying video games, 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:17.000 so I can use another example, it's like, so we are making something which is like, relatively similar, 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:23.000 so it's like everything you can experience in your real life, like maybe the architecture you see, 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.000 or yourself, or like everything, or other people are talking around you, 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.000 and maybe those kind of, we call it like interactive words, 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:34.000 so in our product, you can just easily create a word like that, 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:40.000 and just tell it what you want, and you can get it, so that is what we are working on. 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:49.000 So, natural language, dummies like me, talking to your product, and it can create a 3D world. 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:50.000 Yes. 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.000 I've never seen any AAA games before. 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:01.000 And because there are many models recently, like 3D model generator, or like word model, 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:05.000 like those kind of models, and actually, they like a platform, they like an agent, 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:10.000 which combine them together for user to easily, like, really use it, 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:15.000 and apply it in their real life, like simulation, so that is what we are putting about, 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:21.000 it's about like, inside of it, like combine all of them together, so for user, it is create a 3D world. 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:27.000 Okay, so, and the product is for what kind of users? 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:33.000 So, at the very beginning, because we wanted to make the result to be high quality enough, 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:37.000 and because our team are all from the game industry, like background, 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:43.000 so we started from inviting many of the professional game designers to help us to, 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:48.000 like, say what they want, and showing feedback to us, so that is the very beginning, 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:54.000 but the target is just to make sure the final result, the final offer will be professional enough, 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:57.000 but actually, because following the trends of the AI products, 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:01.000 so like, every product needs to be simpler for people to understand and use, 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:07.000 so there should not be any barriers, so in the later future, it's actually, everyone can use it, 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.000 so that is how we, like, defining about it. 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:19.000 So, right now, it's for the consumer, and if I want to develop my own game, 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:27.000 and use your product, it basically do everything, from generating the 3D world, 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:37.000 to have the pilot, the game, and even launch, go to the store, everything. 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:45.000 Okay, so it's a one-stop, from idea, to launch the game, to steam, to the other platform, 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.000 everything you can do. 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:49.000 Okay, that's cool. 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:55.000 So you think that in the future, everybody will be a creator for games? 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:56.000 Yeah. 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:02.000 And I think that's huge, because what changed the world last time was TikTok, 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:05.000 everybody can be an influencer. 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:06.000 Yes. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:12.000 That's because our technology developed, so we can easily use our camera to film everything, 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:18.000 but today, with the new development of the technology, 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:26.000 everybody can create the virtual world they want, and put games in that, without any effort. 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:34.000 Yeah, because previously, people, in their spare time, they might just scan in there, 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:40.000 like TikTok, as entertainment, but because currently, AI grows so fast, 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:45.000 and maybe AI will take your daily work, and you have more spare time, 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:49.000 and people have more spare time, so they can spend on entertainment, 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:54.000 but I think the next generation of entertainment will not be limited by just watching 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:57.000 those short films on TikTok or something. 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:00.000 There should be a new one, and also, because the technology has improved, 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:06.000 there should be a better, more immersive and interactive environment to exist, 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:10.000 so that would be the future trend, like people can have something more. 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.000 So the game was called Nice Art. 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:15.000 Right, it was nice. 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.000 Or the force, the nice. 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:18.000 Nice? 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:19.000 Nice Art. 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.000 Nice Art, yeah, I can understand. 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:22.000 Yeah, the game. 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:30.000 Before, the popularity of Roblox and Minecraft already proved that, 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.000 that these users want to develop their own world, 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:39.000 but the technology was not that good, so we can only see that kind of thing. 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:46.000 And you think, in the future, everybody can develop their own player number one. 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.000 That's the vision, right? 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:52.000 Yes. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:07:01.000 Actually, our initial consideration about that is, 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:06.000 personally, I just want to understand everything, 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:10.000 every people everywhere, the theory about the whole universe, 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:14.000 and I'm thinking about there is a potential for achieving that 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.000 by the ability of AI to predict something, 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:21.000 and also the potential of world generations. 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:28.000 I'm thinking about if we can allow everyone to create a relatively similar world as far, 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:32.000 so then that can be achieved maybe in the future, 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.000 because I really enjoy creativity. 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:39.000 And actually, games will change the way people interact with each other, 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.000 because maybe someone just feels like, 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.000 okay, games are something I spend my spare time on, 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.000 so I'm just having fun, 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:48.000 but actually, when people are designing a game, 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:52.000 so you can put the visual perspective inside of it, 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:55.000 everything you see, you will put it in your design, 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:59.000 and also the things you hear, and the way you interact with the world, 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:03.000 you put everything inside of it, and for other people to play it, 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:08.000 then they will fully understand about what you are experiencing in your daily life. 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.000 So actually, once everyone creates a world, 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.000 and everyone can understand each other, 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.000 the world will be totally different, 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:19.000 and also about the connection will be changed. 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:24.000 I mean, people's connection used to be changed by WeChat or Facebook, 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.000 but now there's going to be a new way, 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:30.000 and because of this kind of infrastructure, it's emergent. 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:35.000 So it's not inviting you to my home, but inviting you to my game. 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:36.000 To my mind. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:37.000 Uh-huh. 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:38.000 Yeah. 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:39.000 Oh, I like that. 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.000 Because the physical world is limited, it's very small, 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:49.000 but with the virtual world, I can create so many things, everything there. 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:53.000 It's a celebration from the physical world to the virtual world. 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:59.000 Okay, so what's the cost? 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:05.000 I guess before, like for the GTA 6, it's still maybe 10 years, still no launch. 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.000 So what's the cost of change of this? 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:14.000 You mean like how much should be spent inside, or you mean the time, or the cost? 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.000 For example, I'm an independent game developer. 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:21.000 Before, I cannot be, but today, user product, I can be. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:27.000 So how much money do I need to invest to have my own game launched, user product? 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:34.000 Okay, actually, that depends on how detailed the user wants. 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:39.000 So for our business model, we're just doing the simple subscription, 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:44.000 and also if they want extra credits, they can just spend inside, 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:48.000 but they can also directly insert their models inside, 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.000 so they will not need to be generated, for example. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:55.000 So actually, if they want to, for example, create a simple demo 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:59.000 and show everything about that, it would be within $100, 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:02.000 so it's not a big cost of it. 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:09.000 So I think it just depends on how big the user really wants about the things they're creating. 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:14.000 This question, I want to understand the structural change in the industry. 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:20.000 Like I said before, a AAA game would cost about $200 million. 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:25.000 And today, because the technology has changed, maybe it costs like... 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:27.000 Yeah, hugely. 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:31.000 So it's 1%, 5%, 10% of the 4, or...? 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:32.000 Yeah, maybe 1%. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.000 1%, so it's 1 million. 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:40.000 Yeah, because actually people used to be impossible for... 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:43.000 Do you know why AAA is called AAA? 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:44.000 Why? 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:50.000 Yeah, because we are straight A, a lot of content, a lot of quality, and a lot of time. 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:56.000 Because it takes a lot of cost, a lot of time, and a lot of people working on that. 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:01.000 So actually, maybe their small team has that ability. 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.000 Everyone knows how to make something like that, 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:08.000 but they might not spend too much time or cost on that, so they do not build a game. 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:13.000 But actually, they have a great idea inside of their mind, and now it becomes possible. 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.000 So once we want to make this to be possible, 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:22.000 it also will be the least cost, because AI is really easier and really fast. 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.000 It's already 100 times faster than the previous workflow. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:31.000 So it will be actually less than 1 million, maybe just a few thousand, 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:34.000 and you can make a pretty good game just as... 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:38.000 It has maybe similarity to the video generation. 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:43.000 It will be pretty simple for people to build a short movie with video generation model, 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.000 but just with thousands of dollars. 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.000 So I think that's how the industry is changing. 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:50.000 So it's kind of similar. 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:51.000 Oh, okay. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:56.000 So these days, I watch a lot of AI-generated short videos. 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.000 It's getting fascinating. 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:07.000 And your prediction is AI-generated games would also go as popular as AI-generated videos next year. 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.000 Maybe more, yeah. 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:10.000 More. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.000 Okay, I start to understand. 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:19.000 Because Kodak really makes our app development so cheap and fast. 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.000 So let's talk more about yourself. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.000 Why do you want to do this? 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:25.000 What's your background? 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:26.000 What's your relation? 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:27.000 What's your dream? 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:28.000 Why your dream? 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:32.000 What triggers you to go into the gaming industry? 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:35.000 I think I mentioned before, just now, 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:42.000 I say I want to understand the theory about the whole universe. 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:46.000 So it's not only the physics thing and also the mental thing. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:51.000 So how each of the people are thinking and how the world is rotating. 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:55.000 So I was thinking about I want to really create a universe model, 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:59.000 which is similar to the reality so I can understand everything, 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:02.000 predict the future and understand the history. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:07.000 And I'm really enjoyable in creativity things and I find that 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:10.000 games just create an interactive world, 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:17.000 which not only matches my final vision and also my hobbies. 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.000 I mean the things I really enjoy is about creating. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:23.000 So I'm thinking about it's the best thing I can do. 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.000 And that platform is for anyone to create something like that. 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:30.000 So it's going to be exactly the future. 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:36.000 But you have been an indie gamer developer since you were very young. 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:37.000 Yeah. 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:42.000 So what makes you start to do that? 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:47.000 So because honestly I'm good at writing novels. 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.000 So I'm good at writing stories. 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:58.000 And I was founded a game developer community like six years before. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.000 So after I graduated from high school I have a gap year. 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.000 And I just go to join like mix this community. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.000 And I know many people who are in the industry. 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:11.000 Because you know like in China people who are making indie games 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:12.000 they all know each other. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.000 And they are all group of people. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:18.000 So after we mix the community I have many connections with them. 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:26.000 And so then I go to do a product manager intern in Beijing in Perfect World. 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:34.000 And there are some people who are working nearby like those different companies 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:36.000 which is making games. 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:42.000 And they invite me to join a game jam. 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.000 So at that moment I never make games before. 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:49.000 And they just say I'm good at writing stories. 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:53.000 So they say you can become the narrative designer for the game. 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.000 And so I just do that. 00:14:55.000 --> 00:15:00.000 And that game we achieved like 350,000 views online. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:01.000 How much? 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:03.000 350,000. 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.000 350,000? 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:06.000 Yeah. 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.000 That's 3 million. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.000 That's 0.3 million. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:11.000 Okay. 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:12.000 Yeah. 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:16.000 So that's actually my first game. 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:21.000 And then I just like because I think the people who is building that with us 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.000 they are all really experienced. 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.000 So I just like learn a lot from them. 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:29.000 And I keep building things I'm interested in. 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:30.000 Yeah. 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.000 And like tear down. 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:35.000 So the community you were talking about. 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:37.000 How big is that community? 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:43.000 So for our team who is doing that like in total because we have many volunteers 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.000 who is helping us. 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:49.000 And like for people who are covered by that I think we'll be more than 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:51.000 I think we'll be thousands of people. 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:52.000 Yeah. 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.000 And like yeah. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.000 And we used to have some like game jams or like seminars. 00:15:58.000 --> 00:15:59.000 And yeah. 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.000 Like both online and offline. 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:02.000 Yeah. 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.000 And also we used to like collaborate with like Roblox and Tencent. 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:08.000 So we held a game jam for them. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:09.000 Yeah. 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:10.000 So it's something just like that. 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.000 The community. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:13.000 Thousands of people. 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:17.000 Yes. 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.000 Online community. 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:20.000 Yes. 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:21.000 Okay. 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:24.000 Including the audience, everything. 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:30.000 Everyone is like almost like most of them are game designers, 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.000 like developers or artists. 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:33.000 Yeah. 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:37.000 And we also need to like because we need to collaborate, 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:42.000 we also need to get like connect with those people like from studio or 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.000 company or like publisher. 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.000 So yeah. 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:47.000 And yeah. 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:51.000 So for I think it's more like for how many people are joining our event. 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:53.000 So it's just something. 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:54.000 Okay. 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:58.000 So it's each time thousands of people or totally thousands of people. 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:59.000 Totally. 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.000 Totally. 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:01.000 Right. 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:07.000 So you grew up in the gaming industry and started in Perfect World. 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:12.000 That's a tier one game studio in China. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:15.000 And I played a lot of their games when I was young. 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.000 And you have the early community users. 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:21.000 You have connections to have your early users. 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:26.000 So what's that after you do your intern? 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:27.000 What's that? 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:29.000 Okay. 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:33.000 That's actually when I was an intern in Perfect World. 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.000 I was year one. 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:38.000 So in our game studio, it's not intern. 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:43.000 So it's actually like long-term collaboration. 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:44.000 Okay. 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.000 So it's like part-time things. 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:46.000 Yeah. 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:47.000 So my intern is full-time. 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:49.000 It's just for summer like in Perfect World. 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:50.000 Yeah. 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:53.000 And that was the time I know other people like in our studio. 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:58.000 And so after I finished the intern, actually because I used to want to like 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.000 create startup as a very beginning. 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:05.000 So after that I go to join like internship program called if you guys 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:09.000 hear like Y Combination China or Miracle Plus. 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.000 Yeah. 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:14.000 So I was like investment researcher there. 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:15.000 Okay. 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:16.000 Yeah. 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.000 And in gaming industry? 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.000 As far as we say it's for Miracle Plus. 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:23.000 Yeah. 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:25.000 I just can pick some like industry I'm interested in. 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.000 Yeah. 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:28.000 So I just pick at that moment. 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:29.000 Yeah. 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:30.000 I pick some. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:31.000 Some of the research is about games. 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:32.000 Okay. 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:33.000 Games. 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:34.000 And then? 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:35.000 Yeah. 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:42.000 And then so I think I was the only people who graduate like in three years 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.000 from my undergraduate. 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.000 So in our like department, the computer science department. 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:56.000 So I think the second year I joined because I need to finish my final year 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:57.000 project. 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:02.000 So I joined our like laboratory and they are making the like 3D point cloud 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.000 segmentation. 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:04.000 Yeah. 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.000 And also like in my last year I also went to another venture. 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:09.000 Yeah. 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:11.000 It's called, you know, exchanges. 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:12.000 So yeah. 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:17.000 So I think my focus is about like game and hardware. 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:18.000 Yeah. 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.000 I have like I do like four years research about that to like understand more 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.000 about the industry and like find a good way and also. 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:26.000 Four year. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.000 That's a four year. 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:28.000 Four months. 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:29.000 Four months. 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:30.000 Yeah. 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:31.000 Okay. 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.000 Why did you graduate from computer science in three years? 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:41.000 Because I like every year I like because like we can maximum like take seven 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:43.000 courses each semester. 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.000 So I just like plan them earlier. 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:48.000 So like every semester I have like full schedule. 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:54.000 And like I put my capstone earlier for one year so I'm finishing within three 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:55.000 years. 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.000 Computer science is hard. 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.000 It's not some easy way to. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:01.000 Computer science? 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:02.000 No. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:03.000 I mean civil engineering. 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:04.000 Okay. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.000 Engineering. 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:06.000 Is it similar? 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:07.000 It's very. 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:08.000 Okay. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:09.000 Okay. 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:15.000 And I heard you were the top tier of Chinese chess. 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:16.000 Yeah. 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:21.000 So last year I joined the world Chinese chess competition. 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.000 So and I won the fifth place. 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:25.000 Yeah. 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:26.000 Yeah. 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.000 And I was also like the first place for like I mean nationally in like 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:34.000 Chinese chess medal like championship. 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:35.000 Yeah. 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:40.000 And I actually I learned really when I was really young like when I was 10 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:43.000 years old I was the first class like national athlete. 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:44.000 So yeah. 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:46.000 I just like keep like learning it. 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:50.000 But in my spare time because I did not join the professional team of 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.000 learning Chinese chess. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.000 I just use my spare time doing that. 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:55.000 So. 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:56.000 Okay. 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:57.000 I got it. 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.000 You are quite smart. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:59.000 Thank you. 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.000 So that's a program. 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:02.000 Okay. 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.000 So then when did you start to study Cornell? 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:06.000 Are you graduated yet? 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.000 Yeah. 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:13.000 I graduated in last December and I came to there as like January. 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:14.000 Yeah. 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.000 Last year. 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.000 I have a one year. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:17.000 Like. 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:18.000 It's a master. 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:19.000 Yes. 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:20.000 Okay. 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:21.000 So. 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:23.000 What is your major and study product development? 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:25.000 Like engineering management. 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:26.000 So. 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:27.000 Engineering management. 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:28.000 Management. 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:29.000 Yes. 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:30.000 Okay. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:31.000 So it's a program designed for people to learning how to like 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:33.000 manage a product or something. 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:34.000 Yeah. 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:35.000 Cool. 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:36.000 And yeah. 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:42.000 And before go to university because actually I graduated from my 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.000 undergraduate in July. 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:47.000 But I came there as like January. 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:49.000 So there's a gap here. 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.000 Of course because I was born by a car and I just take a rest for 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:54.000 half a year and I came here. 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:55.000 Yeah. 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:58.000 Okay. 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:04.000 So the future is everybody will have their own game with your 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:09.000 products easily build new games. 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:13.000 So what's a bottleneck right now in this industry? 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:14.000 Bottleneck? 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:15.000 Okay. 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:22.000 So I think actually I think comparing to the previous like 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:25.000 engine people are using because currently they are used like 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:29.000 Unity or Unreal the most famous kind of game engine. 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:33.000 But they are all like currently provide the like AI feature. 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:38.000 But because they are like structure are developed like 10 or 20 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:39.000 years ago. 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:41.000 So it's a really old structure. 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:42.000 Old software. 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:46.000 You want to like AI inside of it. 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:49.000 It's really hard to manipulate those kind of stuff because they are 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.000 all like they are not designed for AI. 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.000 They are designed for humans. 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:59.000 And also for those kind of things like there's still barrier for 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:03.000 people to learn to get started with like for no way to learn to 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:04.000 use it. 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:09.000 So and there's also for about the like the back end about the 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:14.000 because like currently Unreal are like just advertising say 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.000 they're going to cancel their blueprint. 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:20.000 It's because blueprint will not be readable for AI. 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:22.000 So that's why they are concerned of canceling it. 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:26.000 And also that is exactly proof for why old engine cannot just 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.000 directly become AI native enough. 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.000 And so it has to be a new platform for that. 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.000 So and that is where we started. 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:39.000 And that is also a bottleneck that previous like engine cannot get 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:40.000 over. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:41.000 Okay. 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:42.000 I agree. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.000 I use a lot of products recently and I don't think they can be AI 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.000 native. 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:47.000 It's totally different. 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:48.000 Yeah. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.000 However, one lesson to hear people would have a question. 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:58.000 That is sounds like you're building cursor for the games. 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.000 You can understand that in that way. 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.000 But, you know, like just don't understand it. 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:10.000 That's like we are putting sound like ID for writing codes for game 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:11.000 codes. 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.000 But yeah, if you understand that just agent for making games, 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:16.000 then it is. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.000 Yeah. 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.000 And when people are talking about that, 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:23.000 people would think about, okay, cursor was very popular. 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:28.000 And later code as a cloud code come to take the market. 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:31.000 So how do you think of that? 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:35.000 Because in our industry, we don't have a codex or a cloud. 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:38.000 And or if you mention about, for example, 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:41.000 Fable, like they can generate a games really fast, 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:45.000 but actually for games different because the most hardest part for 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:49.000 gaming is about rendering and it will be hard for like rendering. 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:50.000 What's that? 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:51.000 Render. 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.000 Render is just like, um, like we were part of the light or like 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.000 everything. 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.000 I mean, like, for example, 00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:00.000 the effects of how the, uh, 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.000 if you can know like the triple S differences between like a simple 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:07.000 games, it's just like the light and like the reflection, 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.000 like every detail of the rendering. 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:10.000 Uh, yeah. 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.000 So because for example, you can, you have a cyberpunk, 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.000 but you cannot play a Mac book or, 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:19.000 or maybe Mac book does not support cyberpunk or me just like a tiny 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.000 computer windows cannot support us. 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.000 It's just because you're like computers, 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:26.000 like abilities, 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.000 capacity is limited because the rendering is like a really hard 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:31.000 capacity, something like that. 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:32.000 So, 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:35.000 and also there's some computer cannot run the unreal product. 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.000 So if you can get, get it. 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.000 So actually if you just simply testing and like maybe Fable to 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.000 generate a game for you, 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.000 it can generate a simple games for you, 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:50.000 but there have to be a structure to combine them and to like, 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:53.000 we'll plan them for to make sure the result can be high quality 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:54.000 enough. 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.000 And if it may be an easier way to understand, 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:58.000 it's just like, 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:02.000 so actually people can always write a games from using Python or 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.000 just say shop or just say, 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.000 but why they still need to use our engine because the engine are 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.000 combined, 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.000 those like different systems together. 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.000 So let's make sure they can like develop something based on that 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.000 or in either way. 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:16.000 It's just like, 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:17.000 um, 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:19.000 you can actually use zero or one to coding, 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.000 but why you use like languages, 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:22.000 coding languages to code it, 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.000 like why you use Python? 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:24.000 It's because, 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.000 uh, 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:28.000 there has to be something structured based on the most like, 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:29.000 um, 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:30.000 initial ones. 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.000 So that is also why there's kind of infrastructure should exist. 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:34.000 Oh, 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:35.000 okay. 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:36.000 So rendering is, 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.000 I have different computers, 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.000 there are different computers. 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:43.000 So you need to be compatible to everyone that takes a lot of, 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:44.000 um, 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:45.000 work. 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:46.000 Yeah. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:47.000 So, 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:48.000 I mean, 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:49.000 I mean, 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:50.000 it's just like, 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:51.000 if it will generate a package for you, 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.000 it will be not high quality enough, 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:56.000 like for like triple eight levels. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.000 So you have to find a way to combine them. 00:26:58.000 --> 00:26:59.000 Okay. 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:00.000 So people would ask, 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:01.000 well, 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.000 it was a motor company start to, 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:08.000 so it's more about the motor itself or about something behind the 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:09.000 motor. 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:13.000 And it depends on whether cloud code will replace cursor or, 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:14.000 uh, 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:17.000 what else do existing there? 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.000 Or there's a lot of things to being there, 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.000 but as a language motor, 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.000 it's just a token input. 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.000 I think cursor is, 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.000 um, 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.000 might not be the best example because, 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.000 uh, 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.000 cursor is a new company and even like, 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:32.000 and stop it. 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.000 They are not for like more than 10 years. 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.000 So like AI is like, 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.000 still are like a new industry and new trends. 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.000 So if, 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.000 for example, 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:43.000 if cursor really, 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:47.000 because there are still huge amounts of users for unicursor, 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:49.000 even though we have cloud or GPT, 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:53.000 but if cursor really be replaced one day and nobody uses, 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.000 it's just not because this strategy is not applicable. 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:58.000 It's mine because like cursor might, 00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.000 uh, 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:02.000 like miss some good point about like continuously growing. 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.000 Yeah. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.000 but I, 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.000 I hope like they are still like keep rolling. 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.000 So I don't mean anything. 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.000 Uh, 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:09.000 yeah. 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.000 Okay. 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.000 I think that, 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.000 that question, 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.000 in fact, 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:14.000 is boring. 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:15.000 That question is, 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.000 uh, 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:17.000 it's quite a boring question. 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:18.000 Let's skip that part. 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:19.000 Um, 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:20.000 okay. 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.000 So tell a little bit about, 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:24.000 uh, 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.000 your team. 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.000 What's your big strengths? 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:28.000 And, 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.000 uh, 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.000 everybody, 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.000 everybody will have their games. 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.000 It's just like, 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.000 like everybody will design their, 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:35.000 uh, 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.000 website because it's so easy today. 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:38.000 And, 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:39.000 uh, 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.000 next year, 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.000 everybody will have their short video generated by AI. 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.000 Maybe it's a year after next year, 00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.000 everybody will have their own games. 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:46.000 So, 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:47.000 yeah. 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:48.000 What about your teams? 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.000 Uh, 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:50.000 so, 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.000 okay. 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:52.000 So my co-founder used to work in fine, 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.000 like Meta for years. 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:57.000 And then she become her own studio's producer. 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.000 She created games and launched it on Steam. 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:01.000 And then, 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:02.000 uh, 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.000 yeah, 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:04.000 she's just switched to do this full-time right now. 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:05.000 Yeah. 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.000 So she's really like experiencing in like, 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.000 uh, 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:09.000 backend structure and like coding. 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:10.000 Yeah. 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:11.000 And she's our CEO. 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.000 And my other co-founder, 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.000 um, 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.000 he, 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:16.000 uh, 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.000 used to, 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:18.000 used to learn like data science in Berkeley, 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.000 but he created his own startup. 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:20.000 Like in one month, 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.000 he got like $3,000, 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:22.000 like MR for his product. 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:23.000 And then he just switched to our direction. 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:24.000 Yeah. 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:25.000 And because he, 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:26.000 uh, 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.000 have experience about how to make the, 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.000 like markdown for like AI and how to making them to be well structured for user to use. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.000 So I think we all have like advantage other men, 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:30.000 other member does not have. 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:31.000 So that's why I like make it together. 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:32.000 Yeah. 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.000 Uh, 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.000 okay. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:35.000 So let's back to the, 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:36.000 um, 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.000 startups. 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:38.000 Uh, 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.000 how many users do you have right now? 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:40.000 We have, 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:41.000 we actually, 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:42.000 so it's like two, 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.000 two weeks ago, 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:44.000 we have 2,000 users for our 3D platform. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.000 How many? 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:46.000 Uh, 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:47.000 two weeks ago, 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:48.000 we have 2,000 users. 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.000 2,000? 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:50.000 Yes. 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:51.000 And also, 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.000 2,000? 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.000 Yeah. 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.000 No, 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:55.000 just 2,000. 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:56.000 Yeah. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.000 Yeah. 00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:58.000 Yeah. 00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:59.000 Yeah. 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:00.000 Yeah. 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:01.000 Yeah. 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:02.000 Yeah. 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.000 Yeah. 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:04.000 Yeah. 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:05.000 So, 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.000 we have like 200. 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.000 Yeah. 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:08.000 What? 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:09.000 Not 2,000, 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:10.000 200. 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:11.000 200. 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:12.000 200. 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:13.000 Oh. 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:14.000 Okay. 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.000 200, 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:16.000 yeah. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:17.000 We have 200 user, 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:18.000 uh, 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.000 two months ago and also like 3 studios, 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:20.000 like, 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:21.000 are collaborating with us. 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:22.000 So it's more like, 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.000 kind of like could be at the very beginning. 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:24.000 And they are also like few studios, 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:25.000 like 3 more studios are just collaborating. 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:26.000 But now, 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.000 um, 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:28.000 uh, 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:29.000 because we open source, 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:30.000 like a 2D platform recently, 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.000 and it becomes really famous because we gather more than one software. 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:32.000 We see like 10, 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.000 like 14 days. 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.000 And yeah, 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:35.000 so there are, 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:36.000 many people are watching it every minute. 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.000 So I just open my, 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:38.000 like, 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:39.000 get up. 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:40.000 So I think, 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:41.000 uh, 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:42.000 and, 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.000 and then like users who are going to also want to use our story. 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:44.000 It's also a double. 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:45.000 So, 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.000 uh, 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:47.000 I did not count the new, 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:48.000 like, 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:49.000 kind of users at this moment, 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:50.000 but yeah, 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:51.000 I think just like. 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:52.000 So now, 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:53.000 it might be, 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:54.000 uh, 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:55.000 it might be, 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:56.000 uh, 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.000 it might be, 00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.000 uh, 00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:59.000 it might be, 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:00.000 it might be, 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.000 it might be over a thousand. 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:02.000 Uh, 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:03.000 yes. 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:04.000 And, 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.000 uh, 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:06.000 you say, 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.000 uh, 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:08.000 the 200 originally was, 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:09.000 um, 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:10.000 not independent yet. 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.000 You talk with some studio, 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:12.000 other studio using it. 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.000 Uh, 00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:14.000 so, 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.000 oh, 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:16.000 so that's, 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:17.000 that we are like, 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:18.000 used to have, 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.000 like, 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:20.000 have our user in different way, 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:21.000 because actually we can gather more, 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:22.000 more than 200 users, 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.000 but we just, 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:24.000 uh, 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:25.000 invite, 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:26.000 like, 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:27.000 indie, 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:28.000 like professional designers, 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.000 so to use it, 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:30.000 and also invite, 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.000 like, 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:32.000 like someone who have studios, 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:33.000 or studios to use it. 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.000 So, 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.000 they are actually two different groups of people, 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.000 and for 200, 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.000 they are like indie designers, 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.000 and for, 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:39.000 like, 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:40.000 um, 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.000 like studios, 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:42.000 they are different, 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:43.000 different people, 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:44.000 but we just make sure, 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.000 uh, 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:46.000 they can give us, 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:47.000 like professional feedback, 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:48.000 and they can spend time on that, 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.000 and finding what, 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:50.000 and saying, 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:51.000 like what they want for this product. 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.000 Uh, 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.000 so are they paid? 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:54.000 Uh, 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:55.000 yeah, 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:56.000 but, 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.000 uh, 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.000 so, 00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:59.000 they are, 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.000 they think it's worth to pay. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.000 Okay. 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:02.000 Yeah. 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:03.000 And also, 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:04.000 like, 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:05.000 signing ROI for studio. 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:06.000 Uh, 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:07.000 how much do they pay? 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:08.000 How much? 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.000 Oh, 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:10.000 that's a secret. 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:11.000 Okay. 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:12.000 Uh, 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.000 so, 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:14.000 you have, 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:15.000 uh, 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:16.000 early users, 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.000 early sample users, 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:18.000 and they give you feedback. 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.000 Do they like the product? 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.000 Uh, 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:21.000 actually, 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:22.000 actually, 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.000 we, 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:24.000 we were kind of, 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:25.000 like, 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.000 shocked more than, 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:27.000 like, 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:28.000 people, 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.000 friends who are doing game design, 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:30.000 saying, 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.000 like, 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:32.000 can you test it for me? 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:33.000 They say yes, 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:34.000 and, 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:35.000 and I just, 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:36.000 like, 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.000 posting, 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:38.000 I mean, 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:39.000 the conversation, 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:40.000 but, 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:41.000 like, 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:42.000 maybe one week later, 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.000 I saw a really long, 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:44.000 like, 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:45.000 letter, 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.000 and they write a lot. 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:47.000 They say they spend more than six hours 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:48.000 to test a product, 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:49.000 and what they want, 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.000 and how this, 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.000 like, 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.000 change their workflow, 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:53.000 like everything, 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:54.000 and my promoter just say, 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.000 do, 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:56.000 do, 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.000 do this, 00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:58.000 not just having one, 00:32:58.000 --> 00:32:59.000 just having multiple times, 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:00.000 and, 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.000 yeah. 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:02.000 People are nice. 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:03.000 People are nicer than you think. 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:04.000 Yeah, 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:05.000 and they- 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:06.000 Yeah, 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:07.000 it's a real, 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:08.000 real demand. 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.000 But, 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:10.000 yeah, 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.000 like, 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:12.000 they spend time, 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.000 like, 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:14.000 every week for using that, 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.000 so we can see their active members, 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.000 so, 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.000 it actually higher than our expected, 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.000 and also for the, 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:19.000 like the 2D one, 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:20.000 it's also, 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:21.000 like higher than expected, 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:22.000 because we, 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.000 we just, 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:24.000 like, 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.000 so, 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:26.000 I mean, 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.000 more than we thought, 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.000 they need that, 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.000 so, 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.000 it's just kind of interesting. 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.000 So, 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:32.000 there's demand, 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:33.000 there's a sample user, 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:34.000 and, 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:35.000 there's, 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:36.000 some content go viral, 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.000 and you have good team, 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:38.000 good future. 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.000 And, 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.000 you are smart. 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:41.000 Thank you. 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:42.000 What else? 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:43.000 Uh, 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:44.000 uh, 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.000 let me think about it. 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.000 Um, 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:47.000 they, 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:48.000 they, 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.000 they, 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:50.000 they, 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:51.000 they, 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.000 they, 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.000 they, 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:54.000 they, 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:55.000 they, 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.000 they, 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.000 they've, 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.000 is there something interesting about that or? 00:33:58.000 --> 00:33:59.000 Yeah. 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.000 What else? 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:01.000 Okay, 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:02.000 so, 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:03.000 I think we can start, 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:04.000 like a conversation, 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:05.000 like about, 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:08.120 what do you think is gonna be the future interaction between, 00:34:08.120 --> 00:34:09.120 like, 00:34:09.120 --> 00:34:10.120 I mean, 00:34:10.120 --> 00:34:12.100 not limited by mouse or keyboard, 00:34:12.100 --> 00:34:13.100 right? 00:34:13.100 --> 00:34:14.100 Oh, 00:34:14.100 --> 00:34:15.100 yeah, 00:34:15.100 --> 00:34:16.100 so, 00:34:16.100 --> 00:34:17.100 and also, 00:34:17.100 --> 00:34:18.100 I think you used to have a concept, 00:34:18.100 --> 00:34:19.100 about like , 00:34:19.100 --> 00:34:20.100 know UI, 00:34:20.100 --> 00:34:21.100 Yeah, 00:34:21.100 --> 00:34:22.100 yeah. 00:34:22.200 --> 00:34:23.200 Yeah, 00:34:23.200 --> 00:34:24.200 so, 00:34:24.200 --> 00:34:25.200 okay, 00:34:25.200 --> 00:34:26.200 like, 00:34:26.200 --> 00:34:27.200 I mean, 00:34:27.200 --> 00:34:28.200 like, 00:34:28.200 --> 00:34:29.200 you can share about your view right now, 00:34:29.200 --> 00:34:30.200 and what do you think people are going to interact in the world, 00:34:30.200 --> 00:34:31.200 like, 00:34:31.200 --> 00:34:32.200 which kind of way, 00:34:32.200 --> 00:34:33.200 what's the, 00:34:33.200 --> 00:34:34.200 what's the trends for that? 00:34:34.200 --> 00:34:35.200 I'm still a VR guy, 00:34:35.200 --> 00:34:36.200 I, 00:34:36.200 --> 00:34:37.200 I, 00:34:37.200 --> 00:34:38.200 I bought a Mata Oculus 2, 00:34:38.200 --> 00:34:39.200 a, 00:34:39.200 --> 00:34:40.200 a, 00:34:40.200 --> 00:34:41.200 a, 00:34:41.200 --> 00:34:42.200 a, 00:34:42.200 --> 00:34:43.200 a, 00:34:43.200 --> 00:34:44.200 a, 00:34:44.200 --> 00:34:45.200 a, 00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:46.200 a, 00:34:46.200 --> 00:34:47.200 a, 00:34:47.200 --> 00:34:48.200 a, 00:34:48.200 --> 00:34:49.200 a, 00:34:49.200 --> 00:34:50.200 a, 00:34:50.200 --> 00:34:51.200 a, 00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:52.300 a, 00:34:52.300 --> 00:34:53.300 a, 00:34:53.300 --> 00:34:54.300 a, 00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:55.300 a, 00:34:55.300 --> 00:34:56.300 a, 00:34:56.300 --> 00:34:57.300 a, 00:34:57.300 --> 00:34:58.300 one, 00:34:58.300 --> 00:34:59.300 this is a, 00:34:59.300 --> 00:35:00.300 a, 00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:01.300 a, 00:35:01.300 --> 00:35:02.300 a, 00:35:02.300 --> 00:35:03.300 just, 00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:04.300 a, 00:35:04.300 --> 00:35:05.300 a, 00:35:05.300 --> 00:35:06.300 a, 00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:07.300 a, 00:35:07.300 --> 00:35:08.300 gaming guy. 00:35:08.300 --> 00:35:09.300 And I think it will get, 00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:10.300 it will get more, 00:35:10.300 --> 00:35:11.300 I think, 00:35:11.300 --> 00:35:12.300 it will, 00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:13.300 will get more connected. 00:35:13.300 --> 00:35:14.300 So, 00:35:14.300 --> 00:35:15.300 it's something, 00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:16.300 it will, 00:35:16.300 --> 00:35:17.300 a, 00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:18.300 a, 00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:19.300 a, 00:35:19.300 --> 00:35:20.300 a, 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:21.400 yeah, 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:22.400 got it. 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:23.400 So, 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:24.400 like, 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:25.400 how do you think about, 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.400 because people use, 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:28.400 like, 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:29.400 computer to, 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:30.400 for example, 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:31.400 doing modeling, 00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:32.400 like in, 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:33.400 like, 00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:34.400 or the software, 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:35.400 it's because, 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:36.400 like, 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:37.400 if they really, 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:38.400 like, 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:39.400 maybe put some, 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:40.400 like, 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:41.400 block on a block, 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:42.400 it's really, 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:43.400 like, 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:44.400 tedious and hard, 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:45.400 like, 00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:46.400 mentally working on this. 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:47.400 So they're gonna, 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:48.400 like, 00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:49.400 plan it on computer, 00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:50.500 actually, 00:35:50.500 --> 00:35:51.500 people are back to, 00:35:51.500 --> 00:35:52.500 you know, 00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:53.500 manually putting a block on a block, 00:35:53.500 --> 00:35:54.500 so you think that's interesting. 00:35:56.500 --> 00:35:57.500 So, 00:35:57.500 --> 00:35:58.500 like, 00:35:58.500 --> 00:35:59.500 yeah, 00:35:59.500 --> 00:36:00.500 you, 00:36:00.500 --> 00:36:01.500 like, 00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:02.500 have a vision for it, 00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:03.500 and then you just, 00:36:03.500 --> 00:36:04.500 like, 00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:05.500 put a block on that. 00:36:05.500 --> 00:36:06.500 It's actually back to the initial way 00:36:06.500 --> 00:36:07.500 people interact with the world. 00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.500 Yes, 00:36:08.500 --> 00:36:09.500 it's more direct, 00:36:09.500 --> 00:36:10.500 and you don't need to learn anything. 00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:11.500 Or I can, 00:36:11.500 --> 00:36:12.500 I can, 00:36:12.500 --> 00:36:13.500 I can say it, 00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:14.500 like, 00:36:14.500 --> 00:36:15.500 put that 100 animals 00:36:15.500 --> 00:36:16.500 to that mountain, 00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:17.500 or give me 00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:18.500 five different kind of 00:36:18.600 --> 00:36:19.600 mountains. 00:36:19.600 --> 00:36:20.600 So, 00:36:20.600 --> 00:36:21.600 and then, 00:36:21.600 --> 00:36:22.600 everything's generated. 00:36:24.600 --> 00:36:25.600 The keyboard 00:36:25.600 --> 00:36:26.600 and the mouse 00:36:26.600 --> 00:36:27.600 can make things 00:36:27.600 --> 00:36:28.600 very accurate. 00:36:29.600 --> 00:36:30.600 But with 00:36:30.600 --> 00:36:31.600 good, 00:36:31.600 --> 00:36:32.600 today, 00:36:32.600 --> 00:36:33.600 I think the AI is getting 00:36:33.600 --> 00:36:34.600 more and more 00:36:34.600 --> 00:36:35.600 good with the taste. 00:36:35.600 --> 00:36:36.600 It almost can 00:36:36.600 --> 00:36:37.600 predict 00:36:37.600 --> 00:36:38.600 what kind of 00:36:38.600 --> 00:36:39.600 stuff 00:36:39.600 --> 00:36:40.600 should be 00:36:40.600 --> 00:36:41.600 what kind of place, 00:36:41.600 --> 00:36:42.600 because they have the 00:36:42.600 --> 00:36:43.600 very top taste 00:36:43.600 --> 00:36:44.600 of designers. 00:36:44.600 --> 00:36:45.600 Maybe I just say it, 00:36:45.600 --> 00:36:46.600 so create a world with 00:36:48.600 --> 00:36:49.600 create a world 00:36:49.600 --> 00:36:50.600 like Fate. 00:36:51.600 --> 00:36:52.600 That's a 00:36:53.600 --> 00:36:54.600 that's a saber 00:36:54.600 --> 00:36:55.600 and archer 00:36:55.600 --> 00:36:56.600 be there. 00:36:57.600 --> 00:36:58.600 Yeah, 00:36:58.600 --> 00:36:59.600 maybe 00:36:59.600 --> 00:37:00.600 just do it. 00:37:00.600 --> 00:37:01.600 And I say, 00:37:01.600 --> 00:37:02.600 just create another version 00:37:02.600 --> 00:37:03.600 without the copyright. 00:37:04.600 --> 00:37:05.600 Yeah. 00:37:05.600 --> 00:37:06.600 Yeah. 00:37:06.600 --> 00:37:07.600 True. 00:37:09.600 --> 00:37:10.600 Okay. 00:37:10.600 --> 00:37:11.600 Okay. 00:37:11.600 --> 00:37:12.600 So, 00:37:12.600 --> 00:37:13.600 that's all.