WEBVTT 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.140 And you guys shared with me that you guys are both software engineers at the moment. 00:00:04.140 --> 00:00:11.730 Um, so why don't we talk a little bit about what major project or projects you guys have been working on recently, 00:00:11.730 --> 00:00:18.180 and we'll start there, and then we'll talk about, um, what gave you the idea for that project and where you see 00:00:18.180 --> 00:00:21.060 it going in the future and, and this type of thing. 00:00:21.060 --> 00:00:21.200 Yeah. 00:00:21.200 --> 00:00:27.540 All right. So the project is called Xtra, and for now it's an open source project. 00:00:27.540 --> 00:00:35.900 Um, the main idea of the project is to make, uh, to make, uh, the current product queryable. 00:00:35.900 --> 00:00:44.340 Um, our, uh, main, uh, idea and, uh, the way we're seeing, uh, the future of the SaaS product, 00:00:44.340 --> 00:00:52.540 um, is that we believe that's the time that you navigate inside the, the UI, uh, 00:00:52.540 --> 00:00:57.660 the complex UI. It's going to be shrinking because of the AI. 00:00:57.660 --> 00:01:05.720 Uh, we believe that now the users are more preference to, to just give a simple query 00:01:05.720 --> 00:01:12.040 and let the, uh, AI, um, do the heavy workflow, um, for them. 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:16.340 Um, and for that reason we build, uh, the Xtra. 00:01:16.340 --> 00:01:24.420 And this project, we give an infrastructure that in simple way and, and also given 00:01:24.420 --> 00:01:32.820 a widget that you can inject inside your UI and, and, and based on our-- based on our widget and, uh, infrastructure, 00:01:32.820 --> 00:01:40.820 you can make your, uh, make your UI and all the-- all your product queryable 00:01:40.820 --> 00:01:45.040 in a easy way. Um, and that's our main, uh, goal. 00:01:46.140 --> 00:01:51.620 That's really interesting. And as somebody-- I have a lot of experience working with CRM systems, for example, 00:01:51.620 --> 00:01:53.320 um, it's-- it can be- 00:01:53.320 --> 00:01:53.420 Yeah 00:01:53.420 --> 00:01:58.420 ... I spent a lot of my life, uh, looking for a certain button, you know, or something like that. 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:01.040 Yeah. Exactly. 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:01.919 That's the point, yeah. 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.220 It, it, it's part, it's part of the scenario, yeah. There's a lot of scenario. 00:02:05.220 --> 00:02:10.160 You know, there's all the AWS, uh, UIs that it's so complex- 00:02:10.190 --> 00:02:17.280 ... and you need a deep, uh, you need a, a really domain expertise how to navigate and all the functionality and 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:24.840 all the options. So we believe that if there is a, you know, a bodyguard that sit, uh, uh, next to you and you 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:31.700 can ask him whatever you want, and he can guide you exactly how to create thing that related to your organization, 00:02:31.700 --> 00:02:39.740 um, um, I think it, it, it will be awesome, and we believe that this is w-what the SaaS platform are going to 00:02:39.740 --> 00:02:42.520 provide. Um- 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:42.900 Yeah 00:02:42.900 --> 00:02:49.570 ... and, and for, and, and that-- for that reason we build it from first day to focus on SaaS company and on, on, 00:02:49.570 --> 00:02:52.080 on big organ-organization. 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:58.100 It's not just a personal assistant like the other product, like the OpenClou or a Mass or something like that. 00:02:58.100 --> 00:03:04.500 Uh, all the famous that you know that's, uh, that's like a personal assistant and chatbot that you can interact 00:03:04.500 --> 00:03:12.660 with them, and they can do for you a task. And we believe that these platforms are not, um, relevant 00:03:12.660 --> 00:03:20.680 for big organization with identity and multi-tenant, um, and, and, and that's why from the first, uh, step 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:28.960 we focused to build it, uh, the architecture and all the, and all the platform to, to focus on, uh, 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:32.980 on, uh, organization, and that's it. 00:03:33.900 --> 00:03:37.320 Yeah. And that-- So this works across all different systems. 00:03:37.320 --> 00:03:39.390 This is really interesting. So this, this works- 00:03:39.390 --> 00:03:42.460 ... this could work with a CRM platform or with- 00:03:42.460 --> 00:03:42.620 Yeah 00:03:42.620 --> 00:03:45.340 ... something as complicated as AWS. 00:03:45.340 --> 00:03:46.580 Yeah. It's required- 00:03:46.580 --> 00:03:46.640 Yeah 00:03:46.640 --> 00:03:54.780 ... uh, ten or five minute to define exactly what the agent and what is the MCPs and all the 00:03:54.780 --> 00:03:58.580 background thing that you need, uh, that you want to expose to the agent. 00:03:58.580 --> 00:04:03.980 But the engine and the architecture we build, uh, it generate automatically. 00:04:03.980 --> 00:04:12.100 So it mean that you need to declare about what you want, which agent, why the hierarchy, what the domain expertise 00:04:12.100 --> 00:04:18.980 of, of each want, but you declare it in a simple way currently in the YAML file, and it's automatically generated 00:04:18.980 --> 00:04:24.220 and make all the, all the harnessing, uh, for you. 00:04:24.260 --> 00:04:28.300 Mm-hmm. Wow. And how long have you guys been working on this project? 00:04:30.020 --> 00:04:33.940 Um, we work, uh, on it, uh, three months, but- 00:04:33.940 --> 00:04:34.180 Yeah 00:04:34.180 --> 00:04:41.040 ... um, it take time for us to, to build it because, uh, um, you know, in AI world- 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.869 Actually, the, the idea, the idea come, come last, uh, uh, half a year. 00:04:44.869 --> 00:04:53.180 But until we, uh, until we start to, uh, develop, we think a lot of the architecture and how 00:04:53.180 --> 00:04:55.780 we're gonna do it on the right way. 00:04:55.820 --> 00:05:01.410 So now we are developing three months, but we thought, we thought about the solution, like half a year. 00:05:02.580 --> 00:05:03.999 Half a year ago. 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:04.140 Yeah. 00:05:05.730 --> 00:05:09.080 Yeah. And how do you plan, uh, what's your kind of forward-looking view of it? 00:05:09.080 --> 00:05:12.300 What do you guys plan to do, uh, going forward with the project? 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:16.480 Or what-- Would you like to add other features or, or monetize it or market it in some way? 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:19.340 What's the, the forward-looking view for you guys? 00:05:19.340 --> 00:05:27.340 Yeah. Um, currently, um, we do some marketing to- To, to, to do, to do 00:05:27.340 --> 00:05:33.740 a validation, we would like to integrate to existing systems and validate our, uh, engine. 00:05:33.740 --> 00:05:41.340 Um, and in the future we are going to offer, uh, specialized features that will be dedicated to the organization 00:05:41.340 --> 00:05:47.720 itself. If there is some edge cases that's unique for a specific organization or something like that, we would 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:55.740 like to implement it. Um, now our main goal is, um, is to extend it, um, 00:05:55.740 --> 00:06:01.660 to offer more, uh, specialized features and, and to make it more simple to integrate. 00:06:01.660 --> 00:06:09.840 Um, to build a new UI that will be easy for them to integrate, and also to ship it more quickly 00:06:09.840 --> 00:06:18.450 and give the full, uh, the full, you know, the, the full environment that helps you to, to, to, 00:06:18.450 --> 00:06:26.280 to, to deploy to your organization. That include inside observability tools, and it cl- include inside, uh, the 00:06:26.280 --> 00:06:32.120 infrastructure, the connected to d- to database to manage the identity, to- 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:32.220 Mm-hmm 00:06:32.220 --> 00:06:37.540 ... to, to do quickly the authorization and the authentication to the existing, uh, systems. 00:06:37.540 --> 00:06:39.980 So this is what we focus now. 00:06:39.980 --> 00:06:44.240 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So making it more, making it more, uh, uh- 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.120 Robust, I think. 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:50.000 Yeah. Robust and, and giving it different features within the organization. 00:06:50.080 --> 00:06:50.320 Yeah, exactly. 00:06:50.320 --> 00:06:55.140 And then what, what types of organiz- what types of organizations or customers do you think, or both people, would 00:06:55.140 --> 00:06:59.460 get the most value out of, out of this? Who you think are your ideal user? 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:00.290 Um, I, I think- 00:07:00.290 --> 00:07:02.900 We, I, I think ... Mm-hmm. Okay, go. Go on. Go on then. 00:07:02.900 --> 00:07:03.840 [laughs] 00:07:03.840 --> 00:07:08.040 No, may- maybe it's contradict from my w- from what I think, so yeah, go ahead. 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:09.710 [laughs] 00:07:09.710 --> 00:07:16.540 Okay. Okay. Uh, okay. So I believe, I believe, uh, for, uh, a lot of companies now, big company are, um, uh, have 00:07:16.540 --> 00:07:22.480 a lot of domains. Like, if you are in the cybersecurity, they have domain for, uh, you know, cloud security and, 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:28.220 um, for, uh, uh, on-prem security and all, all, all the domains. 00:07:28.220 --> 00:07:36.320 So they have unified UI for all the, all their domains, and maybe sometimes it's gonna be complex, um, to, 00:07:36.320 --> 00:07:44.460 uh, for a regular user to use a huge, uh, UI with a lot of, um, capabilities for, um, each domain. 00:07:44.460 --> 00:07:52.580 Um, so we, we really, we really think that the, the, the, the new S- the, the SaaS until now builds, uh, huge, 00:07:52.580 --> 00:07:57.260 uh, user interfaces. Uh, and feature on top of feature on top of feature. 00:07:57.260 --> 00:08:05.680 Um, so, uh, now, uh, they want to, uh, make it accessibility more for the, 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:13.740 for, for their customer. So it, the, the, the, the big, the, the, the big, the enterprises are, 00:08:13.740 --> 00:08:16.400 are more ... I think they more need it. 00:08:17.270 --> 00:08:22.910 Mm-hmm. The bigger enterprises with more complex cloud structures would, uh, would be the, would typically get 00:08:22.910 --> 00:08:25.260 the most value out of it. Yeah. 00:08:25.260 --> 00:08:26.280 Yeah. 00:08:26.280 --> 00:08:28.500 Yeah. And do you agree with that, Asaf? 00:08:29.640 --> 00:08:30.870 Yeah, exactly. 00:08:30.880 --> 00:08:38.940 I think because they offer a lot of features, applications that solve different domains, um, 00:08:38.940 --> 00:08:45.860 you know, they, they also run, uh, for a long time, so they build layers on top of layers on top of layers. 00:08:45.860 --> 00:08:53.879 So I think the main idea of the UI, it's to unified, and now the option to inject 00:08:53.880 --> 00:09:01.900 inside in a widget, it's help also to make it more simple to na- instead of navigate, you can make 00:09:01.900 --> 00:09:08.260 the ... Uh, we, we don't, we don't believe that it will replace the UI, because still if there is a simple, uh, 00:09:08.260 --> 00:09:14.300 op- operation that you would like to see, like to review a specific, uh, page, or just to ... 00:09:14.300 --> 00:09:18.440 You know, sometimes it- it's simple to click instead, instead of just to make a query. 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:26.390 But we believe that the heavy thing that's need, or the big process that can offer by the UI, we can replace it 00:09:26.390 --> 00:09:29.120 now w- with a, with a simple language. 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:34.680 Yeah. And this is mo- this is solely through, uh, through simple language? 00:09:34.680 --> 00:09:36.870 Or you just give it commands? Or you also, you- 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:37.840 You have like a UI layer for your- 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:43.840 No, sim-simple la-simple language like you interact with the LLMs, like, uh, OpenAI or- 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:44.880 Yeah 00:09:44.880 --> 00:09:45.860 Yeah. 00:09:45.860 --> 00:09:51.540 Yeah. Oh, interesting. And, um, uh, what kind of ... 00:09:51.540 --> 00:09:54.510 So HiRey is a, is a social networking platform. 00:09:54.510 --> 00:09:59.920 What kind of, uh, connections do you think at this stage of your product development or your growth would be most 00:09:59.920 --> 00:10:02.260 useful to you? Is there ... Yeah. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:11.960 I think the, for now, it's find a, a, a small company, I think maybe a startup 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:18.100 that's l- that's, as part of its roadmap is to build a product like that. 00:10:18.100 --> 00:10:26.140 Um, and, and it can, it can, uh, you know, bet on us that, uh, to take our, to take 00:10:26.140 --> 00:10:32.260 our, uh, platform and let us, give us the option to prove that, uh, it's worth it. 00:10:32.260 --> 00:10:33.340 Yeah. 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:34.600 So yeah. 00:10:35.880 --> 00:10:38.470 So looking to partner with other startups that, that are- 00:10:38.470 --> 00:10:40.710 ... that also have a relatively complex cloud infrastructure 00:10:40.710 --> 00:10:41.440 Yeah. Yeah. We, we think- 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:42.840 Design, design partners. Yeah 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:43.000 Yeah. 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:50.420 We think a lot of startup are building now is product, um, by, uh, f- AI first driven. 00:10:50.420 --> 00:10:57.560 So, um, they, they ... most of their feature are gonna rely on, uh, uh, AI features. 00:10:57.560 --> 00:11:00.330 So I, we think, uh, uh ... 00:11:00.330 --> 00:11:05.290 And, and we know, uh, things like what we're solving are part of the roadmap. 00:11:05.290 --> 00:11:08.770 Uh, but we need a first connection, right? 00:11:09.520 --> 00:11:14.020 Yeah. Yeah. That, that's the hardest part for a lot of people, making the right connection at the right time. 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:22.600 It can make all the difference. Yeah. And, um, where did you guys get your first few users for the, uh, 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:24.580 for your product or testers or something like that? 00:11:26.400 --> 00:11:32.660 Um, we just, uh ... First of all, we have several friend in the industry that they, we ask for them to try it, 00:11:32.660 --> 00:11:36.320 and also in the Reddit, uh, community. 00:11:36.780 --> 00:11:44.540 We ask, uh, some feedback and there is some, uh, uh, some, uh, engineers that are interesting, so they also run 00:11:44.540 --> 00:11:48.590 the platform integrated to a different mock, uh, UIs. 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:49.850 Yeah. 00:11:49.880 --> 00:11:54.840 We currently have a couple contributors that are, um, using the product day by day. 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:01.380 They're, they're also helping with the development. So, uh, we got, we, we're getting feedback, uh, from, from 00:12:01.380 --> 00:12:03.000 the community, right? Mm-hmm. 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:08.200 Yeah. And they're like, I'm assuming they're like ... I mean, it's kind of an easy sell to a dev or somebody managing 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:12.419 these cloud systems. It's like, "Hey, my product could potentially save you a ton of time," right? 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.180 Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. 00:12:15.180 --> 00:12:15.320 Yeah. 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:23.440 Because I think the, the easy way that the, that the product already decide that you want, uh, uh, a, 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:31.620 a, a widget inside this platform, and now when the, when the developer teams start to implement it, uh, 00:12:31.620 --> 00:12:38.320 for them it's the easy way to take it from the, the, the GitHub and start to work on top of it. 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:46.160 Because, you know, the, the, the great code, uh, that you got, it's the code that's not written by you, you know? 00:12:46.160 --> 00:12:47.190 [laughs] 00:12:47.190 --> 00:12:49.900 [laughs] Yeah. 00:12:49.900 --> 00:12:54.880 Yeah. Or, uh, or at least that are, you know, fully debugged, fully, fully analyzed. 00:12:54.880 --> 00:12:56.570 Uh, first draft is never perfect. 00:12:56.570 --> 00:13:03.320 Yeah. And also all the maintenance, you know? Because now we have a compu- a community and contributors, so we 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:09.760 can solve quickly bugs and give a, a, a great baseline, uh, to work on top of us. 00:13:10.580 --> 00:13:13.120 Yeah. Yeah. You need other people to help debug. 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.840 You're never, you're not really gonna find all of them on your own. 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:17.199 Yeah. 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:19.900 Yeah. Cool, guys. 00:13:19.900 --> 00:13:26.199 Well, awesome. Well, yeah, they ... So yeah, that's, that's really all I had for, uh, for us to talk about today. 00:13:26.199 --> 00:13:32.260 So thank you for taking the time to talk about Xtra and, uh, share a little bit about, you know, your vision for 00:13:32.260 --> 00:13:35.600 it and where you guys are gonna go and, and connections you'd like to make.