WEBVTT 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:23.640 Hey, Daniel. 00:05:25.180 --> 00:05:25.500 Hey. 00:05:25.640 --> 00:05:26.120 How you doing, man? 00:05:27.180 --> 00:05:27.700 Doing good. 00:05:27.760 --> 00:05:28.440 Thanks for joining. 00:05:28.540 --> 00:05:29.880 Man, I was so sorry. 00:05:30.900 --> 00:05:31.920 All the back and forth. 00:05:32.460 --> 00:05:32.780 Yeah. 00:05:33.580 --> 00:05:33.900 It's all good. 00:05:33.960 --> 00:05:34.460 It happens. 00:05:34.740 --> 00:05:35.260 It's all good. 00:05:35.320 --> 00:05:38.440 No, yeah, I'm crazy busy with, like, different meetings and all that. 00:05:38.520 --> 00:05:38.880 I'm just... 00:05:39.640 --> 00:05:40.780 You get in, like, this, uh, 00:05:42.400 --> 00:05:43.100 like, zone. 00:05:43.280 --> 00:05:44.000 Not a flow state. 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:44.100 Yeah. 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.725 You get in a zone, and then you're like, "All right, 00:05:46.725 --> 00:05:48.600 meeting, work, another meeting, work." 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:49.640 Yes. 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:50.640 All right. 00:05:50.700 --> 00:05:52.480 I, uh, I like the platform, my man. 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.951 I, um, I was looking at it, uh, earlier today, and I 00:05:55.951 --> 00:05:58.400 think it's a really, like, novel idea. 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:00.080 And- 00:06:00.080 --> 00:06:00.800 I'm glad to hear that 00:06:01.644 --> 00:06:04.804 Yeah, I mean, just happy to, to help however I can. 00:06:05.424 --> 00:06:05.544 So. 00:06:06.284 --> 00:06:07.284 Yeah, same to you, Ben. 00:06:07.624 --> 00:06:11.044 Yeah, we're-- So we're, we're kind of featuring different founders. 00:06:11.424 --> 00:06:11.544 Um- 00:06:11.604 --> 00:06:11.664 Mm-hmm 00:06:11.664 --> 00:06:11.665 ... 00:06:11.684 --> 00:06:13.584 we're growing in the, in the SF area. 00:06:13.864 --> 00:06:18.324 We're adding about, like, 20 to 50 users a day, depending on the day. 00:06:18.984 --> 00:06:19.184 Nice. 00:06:19.264 --> 00:06:21.124 Um, mostly in SF. 00:06:21.564 --> 00:06:24.684 Uh, we have some people, boots on the ground over there. 00:06:25.204 --> 00:06:26.144 I'm in Arizona. 00:06:26.964 --> 00:06:27.244 Um- 00:06:27.444 --> 00:06:27.644 Nice. 00:06:28.184 --> 00:06:28.444 Did you make it to- 00:06:28.464 --> 00:06:29.044 I'm in LA. 00:06:29.544 --> 00:06:30.084 You're in LA? 00:06:30.364 --> 00:06:30.544 Okay. 00:06:30.564 --> 00:06:30.565 Yeah. 00:06:30.584 --> 00:06:31.304 You ever go to SF? 00:06:32.364 --> 00:06:32.884 Yeah, yeah. 00:06:32.904 --> 00:06:33.604 I was there, 00:06:34.924 --> 00:06:36.364 uh, couple months ago. 00:06:36.764 --> 00:06:37.124 Yeah, yeah. 00:06:37.604 --> 00:06:38.684 It's, it's such a short flight. 00:06:38.724 --> 00:06:41.024 It's like a 45-minute flight from, uh, from here. 00:06:41.864 --> 00:06:42.204 Oh, yeah. 00:06:42.584 --> 00:06:43.264 What's it cost? 00:06:43.704 --> 00:06:43.705 Yeah. 00:06:43.724 --> 00:06:44.184 What's that one? 00:06:44.564 --> 00:06:45.484 Like, 100 bucks? 00:06:45.744 --> 00:06:45.745 Um- 00:06:45.784 --> 00:06:46.144 Not even? 00:06:46.604 --> 00:06:47.224 Less than 100. 00:06:47.364 --> 00:06:49.744 Round trip, it's, like, barely $100. 00:06:49.844 --> 00:06:50.064 Yeah. 00:06:51.144 --> 00:06:51.684 Oh, that's easy. 00:06:51.844 --> 00:06:53.164 It's less than a tank of gas right now. 00:06:54.324 --> 00:06:54.684 Yes. 00:06:55.664 --> 00:06:55.844 Yeah. 00:06:55.944 --> 00:06:56.484 Exactly. 00:06:57.704 --> 00:06:58.024 That's cool. 00:06:58.044 --> 00:07:01.244 Uh, so yeah, I, I haven't added an account yet, but, um, 00:07:02.544 --> 00:07:03.384 I can. 00:07:03.664 --> 00:07:08.324 I, I burned through all of my usage on Groqbot. 00:07:09.184 --> 00:07:09.384 Mm-hmm. 00:07:10.124 --> 00:07:10.344 Nice. 00:07:10.444 --> 00:07:15.584 Uh, and so I was like, I, I'm, I'm getting a reset tomorrow. 00:07:16.044 --> 00:07:20.464 Um, so I think I can take it for a spin, uh, there. 00:07:21.004 --> 00:07:21.524 I can also... 00:07:21.684 --> 00:07:22.784 I just got access to, 00:07:24.184 --> 00:07:25.404 uh, Claude Do It. 00:07:26.204 --> 00:07:27.724 Um, so I can do it there as well. 00:07:28.764 --> 00:07:29.504 How'd you do that? 00:07:29.604 --> 00:07:32.284 I saw that article, but I didn't get into the, uh... 00:07:32.484 --> 00:07:32.764 They didn't put my name on it. 00:07:32.784 --> 00:07:33.664 They just sent me an email to-- 00:07:34.984 --> 00:07:37.604 They just emailed me, like, "You're off the wait list." I don't know. 00:07:38.104 --> 00:07:40.044 Damn, I like you more-- They like you more than me. 00:07:40.104 --> 00:07:41.064 That's messed up. 00:07:43.044 --> 00:07:44.224 Do you have a Max subscription? 00:07:45.084 --> 00:07:45.604 Yeah, I do. 00:07:45.904 --> 00:07:46.044 Yeah. 00:07:46.724 --> 00:07:46.884 Yeah. 00:07:47.184 --> 00:07:48.204 Nah, I don't know, man. 00:07:48.264 --> 00:07:48.584 I'll check. 00:07:49.904 --> 00:07:50.364 I'll check. 00:07:50.604 --> 00:07:50.864 I'll check. 00:07:50.884 --> 00:07:51.904 I just got it this morning, though. 00:07:52.844 --> 00:07:53.004 Yeah. 00:07:53.184 --> 00:07:54.044 There's still hope. 00:07:54.584 --> 00:07:55.044 I-- Yeah, yeah. 00:07:55.864 --> 00:07:59.104 I just got it this morning, and then a buddy of mine got access last week, so 00:08:00.204 --> 00:08:00.544 I don't know. 00:08:00.944 --> 00:08:00.945 Yeah. 00:08:01.024 --> 00:08:02.044 He got it last week? 00:08:02.144 --> 00:08:02.584 What? 00:08:03.064 --> 00:08:03.524 Mm-hmm. 00:08:03.804 --> 00:08:04.024 Mm-hmm. 00:08:05.324 --> 00:08:05.564 Yeah. 00:08:05.604 --> 00:08:06.944 He texted me the day after the announcement. 00:08:06.984 --> 00:08:08.744 I was like, "How the hell did you get it so fast?" 00:08:09.704 --> 00:08:10.724 It's so funny, man. 00:08:11.104 --> 00:08:11.204 Yeah. 00:08:11.384 --> 00:08:11.424 Yeah. 00:08:11.484 --> 00:08:14.244 I got like GPT Max, Claude Max. 00:08:14.704 --> 00:08:16.064 Can we just like, like... 00:08:16.944 --> 00:08:20.228 I just need to, like, verbal-- Like, how is it, like, in a month we 00:08:20.228 --> 00:08:23.316 went from, like, Claude being the most, the easiest one to burn 00:08:23.316 --> 00:08:25.424 through your limits to, and now we're back- 00:08:25.424 --> 00:08:25.584 Mm-hmm 00:08:25.584 --> 00:08:25.585 ... 00:08:25.604 --> 00:08:28.084 to GPT being the fastest one to chuck through all your limits. 00:08:28.144 --> 00:08:29.084 Like, what happened? 00:08:29.124 --> 00:08:31.684 Like, that-- They did a rug pull on us, right? 00:08:32.384 --> 00:08:32.904 They did. 00:08:33.184 --> 00:08:37.947 And then, of course, OpenAI announced yesterday that they're doubling, or maybe 00:08:37.947 --> 00:08:41.564 it was today, they're doubling usage for all of their plans. 00:08:43.344 --> 00:08:43.864 Oh, there we go. 00:08:43.904 --> 00:08:44.844 Uh, Claude did that. 00:08:44.884 --> 00:08:47.164 Uh, Claude did something similar a couple times. 00:08:47.184 --> 00:08:47.724 They tweaked it. 00:08:47.764 --> 00:08:49.204 They did the promo limits and all that. 00:08:49.384 --> 00:08:51.104 Okay, so now it's balancing out. 00:08:51.144 --> 00:08:52.264 This is, this is permanent. 00:08:52.544 --> 00:08:53.144 Yeah, this is permanent. 00:08:53.364 --> 00:08:54.304 So they're trying to catch up. 00:08:55.084 --> 00:08:55.464 Yeah. 00:08:56.244 --> 00:08:57.124 Um, it's, it's weird, man. 00:08:57.684 --> 00:08:58.364 We can't keep up. 00:08:58.604 --> 00:09:01.364 I mean, to be honest, I think what matters the most 00:09:02.404 --> 00:09:05.284 that people don't talk about is the user experience, right? 00:09:05.484 --> 00:09:05.884 If you, 00:09:07.084 --> 00:09:11.104 if you think about how easy it is for these companies to catch each other- 00:09:11.784 --> 00:09:12.004 Mm-hmm 00:09:12.004 --> 00:09:12.005 ... 00:09:12.724 --> 00:09:17.538 what you should focus on is the UX, because the underlying model 00:09:17.538 --> 00:09:21.224 will catch up to whatever's the hot thing, right? 00:09:21.444 --> 00:09:25.086 So everyone was using Codex for, for a 00:09:25.086 --> 00:09:28.824 while, and then Opus 5.5 came out, and- 00:09:28.944 --> 00:09:29.044 Yeah 00:09:29.704 --> 00:09:29.705 ... 00:09:29.764 --> 00:09:31.664 everyone switched back to Claude. 00:09:32.344 --> 00:09:32.404 Yeah. 00:09:32.484 --> 00:09:33.664 But OpenAI's gonna catch up. 00:09:34.784 --> 00:09:37.604 And so it's like you just have to decide 00:09:39.044 --> 00:09:41.724 what UX, what user experience you prefer, right? 00:09:41.804 --> 00:09:42.484 Because the model, 00:09:43.704 --> 00:09:48.824 the models will get better or worse, or better or worse over time, and- 00:09:48.864 --> 00:09:48.984 Yeah 00:09:49.184 --> 00:09:49.185 ... 00:09:49.244 --> 00:09:51.684 it's silly to keep chasing, keep model chasing. 00:09:52.604 --> 00:09:52.744 Yeah. 00:09:52.864 --> 00:09:52.865 Um, 00:09:55.004 --> 00:09:55.064 yeah. 00:09:55.084 --> 00:09:57.851 You do a Whack-a-Mole, and then Groq kind of started to 00:09:57.851 --> 00:10:00.064 do this orchestration stuff in the platform. 00:10:00.544 --> 00:10:02.344 So, like, there's that interesting thing. 00:10:03.184 --> 00:10:04.164 I'm gonna get into local. 00:10:04.404 --> 00:10:04.624 Yeah, so- 00:10:04.644 --> 00:10:04.904 I mean... 00:10:05.624 --> 00:10:06.624 Yeah, no, keep going. 00:10:07.224 --> 00:10:08.104 This is like, this is great. 00:10:08.484 --> 00:10:12.024 No, I, I, I'm a huge fan of, of Groqbot 00:10:12.024 --> 00:10:15.564 because of the UX, and the connections. 00:10:15.764 --> 00:10:19.804 They, they, the, the UX around connections and also 00:10:21.184 --> 00:10:23.864 the integration with Cursor, it's so good. 00:10:25.184 --> 00:10:25.864 As a developer, 00:10:26.944 --> 00:10:27.044 um, 00:10:28.584 --> 00:10:30.624 I have yet to find a better, 00:10:32.084 --> 00:10:32.284 um, 00:10:33.384 --> 00:10:36.164 experience for building software as, like, a solo, 00:10:37.524 --> 00:10:38.384 uh, contributor. 00:10:38.924 --> 00:10:43.757 Now, if I'm on a team, that's different, but if I'm just building stuff 00:10:43.757 --> 00:10:48.249 on my own for fun or side projects or, uh, if you're talking about 00:10:48.249 --> 00:10:51.584 solopreneurs who are building, there's no better, 00:10:53.204 --> 00:10:53.784 uh, experience. 00:10:53.844 --> 00:10:54.764 It's, it's remarkable. 00:10:56.984 --> 00:11:03.284 Um, and I, I mean, I've never built so quickly, so efficiently. 00:11:03.984 --> 00:11:04.284 Uh-huh. 00:11:04.384 --> 00:11:04.764 Um, 00:11:06.544 --> 00:11:09.384 and so I'm just gonna stick with Groqbot even though 00:11:10.844 --> 00:11:15.644 Groq's models aren't nearly as good as OpenAI or Anthropic. 00:11:16.264 --> 00:11:16.804 That was gonna be my next question. 00:11:16.824 --> 00:11:18.784 Like, Groq 4.7 is, is, is... 00:11:19.264 --> 00:11:21.404 Groq 4.7 is trash compared to 00:11:22.864 --> 00:11:26.084 Opus 5.5 and OpenAI's models. 00:11:26.664 --> 00:11:26.744 Mm-hmm. 00:11:26.804 --> 00:11:27.724 But there is a workaround. 00:11:29.264 --> 00:11:29.364 What do you got? 00:11:29.384 --> 00:11:31.184 The workaround is 00:11:32.404 --> 00:11:34.304 you can use D- Devin CLI- 00:11:35.324 --> 00:11:35.484 Oh, nice 00:11:35.504 --> 00:11:35.505 ... 00:11:35.584 --> 00:11:36.224 inside of Groqbot. 00:11:37.744 --> 00:11:42.597 So I've been doing that, uh, so I can use better models, but still keep the 00:11:42.597 --> 00:11:46.544 developer experience, the UX, user experience that I, I love. 00:11:47.364 --> 00:11:47.464 Fun. 00:11:47.524 --> 00:11:48.784 So I installed Devin CLI 00:11:50.104 --> 00:11:51.784 in, on Groqbot's computer, 00:11:52.804 --> 00:11:56.424 and I'm literally running Opus inside of Groqbot. 00:11:57.664 --> 00:11:59.564 Um, are they charging you API tokens? 00:12:00.064 --> 00:12:01.544 Like, uh, Claude API tokens? 00:12:03.056 --> 00:12:05.236 I'm-- No, no, 'cause I... 00:12:05.416 --> 00:12:05.616 Well, 00:12:06.876 --> 00:12:08.596 um, their fusion model 00:12:10.096 --> 00:12:13.957 uses a mixture of the best frontier models, and it's 00:12:13.957 --> 00:12:17.076 their own secret sauce, but I've talked to 00:12:18.216 --> 00:12:20.456 folks at Cognition, and it's mostly Opus 5.5. 00:12:22.676 --> 00:12:23.936 That Devin CLI is using? 00:12:25.156 --> 00:12:25.396 Mm-hmm. 00:12:25.836 --> 00:12:25.837 Mm. 00:12:25.916 --> 00:12:26.236 And, 00:12:27.576 --> 00:12:30.196 um, it's using Opus 5.5 for 00:12:31.516 --> 00:12:32.656 all of the planning work. 00:12:33.376 --> 00:12:33.556 Mm-hmm. 00:12:34.196 --> 00:12:37.133 And then it's using a cheaper model for the actual 00:12:37.133 --> 00:12:40.716 implementation, and then the review and QA happens with Opus. 00:12:41.416 --> 00:12:42.536 So it's like this kind of, 00:12:43.616 --> 00:12:43.976 um- 00:12:45.016 --> 00:12:45.176 Bookkeeping 00:12:45.176 --> 00:12:45.177 ... 00:12:45.196 --> 00:12:49.464 the classic pattern, right, where you have the smart model doing the hard lifting 00:12:49.464 --> 00:12:53.416 and thinking, and then you have the cheaper models, like, writing the code. 00:12:54.136 --> 00:12:54.376 Yeah. 00:12:54.976 --> 00:12:55.896 And that's worked pretty well. 00:12:56.976 --> 00:12:59.076 Like agent hando- agent model handoff, whatever. 00:12:59.176 --> 00:12:59.256 Yeah. 00:13:00.076 --> 00:13:00.296 Mm-hmm. 00:13:00.296 --> 00:13:00.396 Mm-hmm. 00:13:00.476 --> 00:13:02.016 I always combine the work that way, too. 00:13:02.676 --> 00:13:03.616 Man, I gotta get on Groq. 00:13:04.796 --> 00:13:06.096 It's really good. 00:13:07.056 --> 00:13:07.755 So good, dude. 00:13:08.656 --> 00:13:08.657 Yeah. 00:13:08.656 --> 00:13:09.516 'Cause you can ask simple stuff- 00:13:09.536 --> 00:13:10.676 You have these Groq getting... 00:13:11.256 --> 00:13:11.636 Yeah, yeah. 00:13:11.696 --> 00:13:11.876 Yeah, yeah. 00:13:11.936 --> 00:13:13.496 I mean, uh, 00:13:15.156 --> 00:13:16.636 there-- I'll show you, show you a few things. 00:13:16.696 --> 00:13:16.976 So, 00:13:18.856 --> 00:13:19.176 um, 00:13:22.256 --> 00:13:23.116 let me share my screen. 00:13:28.796 --> 00:13:32.716 So this is, this is the main thing that I'm working on called, called Zywire. 00:13:33.456 --> 00:13:38.256 And basically, it's like a Bloomberg termin- Bloomberg Terminal for Twitter. 00:13:39.136 --> 00:13:39.376 Mm-hmm. 00:13:39.656 --> 00:13:43.536 And so I have these panels where you can kinda choose your own adventure. 00:13:44.536 --> 00:13:47.439 And so if you're trying to keep up with everything that's happening 00:13:47.439 --> 00:13:49.736 in tech on a daily basis, it's very difficult, right? 00:13:50.416 --> 00:13:50.856 Oh, yeah. 00:13:51.116 --> 00:13:52.596 Uh, and so what did we just talk about? 00:13:52.896 --> 00:13:54.956 The OpenAI limits. 00:13:55.516 --> 00:13:55.676 Mm-hmm. 00:13:55.776 --> 00:13:55.936 Right? 00:13:56.496 --> 00:13:58.416 So that's like, oh, that's the headline for today. 00:13:58.936 --> 00:13:59.756 So you can drill into that. 00:14:00.336 --> 00:14:03.016 Uh, and of course, people talks about, like, this. 00:14:03.756 --> 00:14:04.996 Um, and 00:14:06.376 --> 00:14:10.536 then instead of scrolling, you can just hit the space bar and just cycle through- 00:14:11.236 --> 00:14:11.956 Oh, nice 00:14:11.956 --> 00:14:11.957 ... 00:14:12.456 --> 00:14:14.636 like, all the kind of events for the day. 00:14:15.376 --> 00:14:18.316 Um, and it's just, like, a better experience. 00:14:18.576 --> 00:14:20.516 Of course, I have clicks to bring up thumbnails. 00:14:20.916 --> 00:14:21.336 Uh, but 00:14:22.356 --> 00:14:23.196 that's been really fun. 00:14:23.536 --> 00:14:24.616 Um, and then- 00:14:24.716 --> 00:14:24.756 Yeah 00:14:24.856 --> 00:14:24.857 ... 00:14:25.596 --> 00:14:27.516 one of, I think the, 00:14:29.596 --> 00:14:31.456 the most valuable features is being able to time travel. 00:14:32.056 --> 00:14:34.656 So right now, this is set to April 29th. 00:14:35.176 --> 00:14:35.396 Mm-hmm. 00:14:36.476 --> 00:14:38.056 Um, but you can go back. 00:14:39.976 --> 00:14:41.816 Like, what happened on February 5th? 00:14:43.456 --> 00:14:44.456 Oh, Opus 4.6. 00:14:44.696 --> 00:14:45.236 4.6. 00:14:46.476 --> 00:14:47.436 So, like, if you're just like- 00:14:47.456 --> 00:14:48.196 Like, a million years ago. 00:14:48.696 --> 00:14:48.876 Right. 00:14:49.176 --> 00:14:53.256 So you're trying to figure out, like, what happened on this day on Tech Twitter. 00:14:54.016 --> 00:14:54.017 Yeah. 00:14:54.036 --> 00:14:56.371 You can go back in time and just, like, kind of get 00:14:56.371 --> 00:14:58.156 a sense of what was going on back then. 00:14:58.916 --> 00:15:00.316 Um, so that's a really popular feature. 00:15:01.056 --> 00:15:04.557 Um, and then, like, just general sentiment, so you can kinda 00:15:04.557 --> 00:15:07.416 see, like, what are people saying about Opus 5.5. 00:15:08.296 --> 00:15:13.316 Um, mostly positive sentiment, and then you can kind of see a general commentary. 00:15:13.516 --> 00:15:15.576 You can see what the gripes are. 00:15:16.276 --> 00:15:16.616 Um, 00:15:18.996 --> 00:15:19.676 and, 00:15:20.836 --> 00:15:21.176 um, 00:15:22.716 --> 00:15:26.516 what is really important is, like, I'm only f- I'm only following, 00:15:28.036 --> 00:15:28.636 like, a subset of- 00:15:29.576 --> 00:15:29.856 Uh-huh 00:15:29.856 --> 00:15:29.857 ... 00:15:30.356 --> 00:15:30.856 the industry. 00:15:31.036 --> 00:15:34.273 Like, so it's a, a focused, kind of opinionated 00:15:34.273 --> 00:15:37.096 view of what's happening in the industry. 00:15:37.136 --> 00:15:39.036 You're not getting this fire hose from, like... 00:15:39.756 --> 00:15:43.296 Like, if you, if you just ask Groq, like- 00:15:43.356 --> 00:15:43.376 Yeah 00:15:43.376 --> 00:15:43.377 ... 00:15:43.396 --> 00:15:47.816 what's happening in tech today, you get a very general, boring answer. 00:15:48.976 --> 00:15:48.996 Um, you- 00:15:49.016 --> 00:15:51.896 And it's like, yeah, their default algorithm's kinda weird. 00:15:52.056 --> 00:15:52.057 Yeah. 00:15:52.056 --> 00:15:52.196 Yeah. 00:15:52.236 --> 00:15:54.476 It kind of will just, it gets slanted weird, man. 00:15:54.576 --> 00:15:54.976 It's not... 00:15:55.296 --> 00:15:55.836 I don't like it. 00:15:56.676 --> 00:15:56.936 Yeah. 00:15:57.336 --> 00:16:00.116 So, so yeah, this is all-- I've run all this, 00:16:01.296 --> 00:16:02.336 uh, via GroqBot. 00:16:03.196 --> 00:16:09.956 Um, and then, you know, uh, if you wanna kinda play around with the news, 00:16:11.376 --> 00:16:15.516 I have this view where it's literally the same data- 00:16:16.136 --> 00:16:16.316 Mm-hmm 00:16:16.316 --> 00:16:16.317 ... 00:16:16.376 --> 00:16:20.649 but, like, it's just, like, a fun way to kind of get through the news, so you 00:16:20.649 --> 00:16:23.756 can just, like, play through the top stories of the day. 00:16:23.816 --> 00:16:28.476 So, like, every, every 10 seconds it just go, it jumps to the next story. 00:16:29.876 --> 00:16:30.096 Um- 00:16:30.196 --> 00:16:30.256 Ah 00:16:30.416 --> 00:16:30.417 ... 00:16:30.436 --> 00:16:32.136 and you can pause at any time. 00:16:32.836 --> 00:16:33.096 Yeah, yeah. 00:16:33.136 --> 00:16:35.696 You can pause and just, like, read the summary. 00:16:36.076 --> 00:16:37.516 You can get the actual original post. 00:16:37.896 --> 00:16:41.696 So this links out to the original post, and you can open it on X. 00:16:42.416 --> 00:16:44.636 Um, so I'm really building this, like, 00:16:45.716 --> 00:16:48.296 uh, kind of ecosystem of, 00:16:49.376 --> 00:16:52.776 like, different ways to consume the same information- 00:16:53.496 --> 00:16:53.516 Mm-hmm 00:16:53.536 --> 00:16:53.537 ... 00:16:53.576 --> 00:16:54.676 in a more efficient way, 00:16:55.696 --> 00:16:57.983 in a way that's more fun, and not you just, like, 00:16:57.983 --> 00:16:59.756 swiping your thumb on Twitter all day. 00:17:00.336 --> 00:17:00.416 Mm-hmm. 00:17:00.496 --> 00:17:03.727 So it's like, all the data's there, but just, like, displaying 00:17:03.727 --> 00:17:06.176 it and communicating it in, in a different way. 00:17:06.476 --> 00:17:08.947 Um, and you can just, like, again, just, like, for 00:17:08.947 --> 00:17:10.776 fun, just kind of, like, poke around. 00:17:10.816 --> 00:17:13.776 Like Matt Palmer, he's at SpaceX. 00:17:14.656 --> 00:17:15.236 Um, 00:17:16.436 --> 00:17:19.476 you can kind of see, like, okay, what is happening with OpenAI today. 00:17:20.516 --> 00:17:22.736 Um, so we kinda zoom in here. 00:17:23.976 --> 00:17:27.576 Uh, you can see, like, when you click on this, you see all of the tweet. 00:17:27.616 --> 00:17:27.916 These are... 00:17:28.096 --> 00:17:29.096 Each node is a tweet 00:17:31.116 --> 00:17:31.836 about OpenAI. 00:17:32.396 --> 00:17:32.696 Mm-hmm. 00:17:33.476 --> 00:17:34.996 And then you can literally just, like, 00:17:36.296 --> 00:17:39.793 kind of poke around and see, like, all different topics and 00:17:39.793 --> 00:17:42.876 commentary about OpenAI, and this is just for today. 00:17:44.136 --> 00:17:46.598 But your nodes are customized based off of the 300 or 00:17:46.598 --> 00:17:48.456 so sources that you're following, right? 00:17:48.496 --> 00:17:49.036 Exactly. 00:17:49.076 --> 00:17:49.376 It's all- 00:17:49.376 --> 00:17:49.616 And then off of it- 00:17:49.656 --> 00:17:53.416 It's all from this, from this, uh, profile subset. 00:17:53.636 --> 00:17:53.796 Yep. 00:17:55.416 --> 00:17:56.156 That's really cool. 00:17:56.796 --> 00:17:56.916 Yeah. 00:17:56.956 --> 00:17:58.856 That's super, super unique. 00:17:59.536 --> 00:17:59.616 And, 00:18:00.756 --> 00:18:03.755 um, and it's, it's been fun, man, to, like, I'm, 00:18:03.755 --> 00:18:06.316 like I said, running all of this through- 00:18:08.092 --> 00:18:08.093 ... 00:18:08.152 --> 00:18:11.199 GroqBot, and if I have an idea for something, I'll 00:18:11.199 --> 00:18:13.392 just get on my phone and just, like, 00:18:15.732 --> 00:18:17.532 like br- like speak a voice note 00:18:18.252 --> 00:18:18.452 Yeah 00:18:19.352 --> 00:18:21.132 It, it kicks off an agent, 00:18:22.432 --> 00:18:25.532 and I have a, I have enough trust in the system where 00:18:25.532 --> 00:18:27.872 it just, like, there's a review process. 00:18:27.992 --> 00:18:30.132 There's like a, a separate reviewer agent, 00:18:31.572 --> 00:18:35.292 uh, that looks for bugs and tries to identify issues, and it just auto merges. 00:18:35.872 --> 00:18:38.092 So like, I'll be like, "Hey, like I talked to this guy, Mark. 00:18:38.612 --> 00:18:41.172 He said I should do X, Y, Z." Like, I'll just like speak into my phone- 00:18:41.652 --> 00:18:42.212 Yeah, yeah, yeah 00:18:42.212 --> 00:18:42.213 ... 00:18:42.272 --> 00:18:44.548 hit send, close my phone, and then it's like I'll 00:18:44.548 --> 00:18:46.452 know it'll be shipped in like 20 minutes. 00:18:47.192 --> 00:18:47.972 It's like on prem- 00:18:47.972 --> 00:18:48.192 That's so cool 00:18:48.212 --> 00:18:48.213 ... 00:18:48.252 --> 00:18:48.932 in like 20 minutes. 00:18:50.632 --> 00:18:53.616 It's so much smoother than like what I do with O- like I, I 00:18:53.616 --> 00:18:55.892 have my computer running, and then I'm doing- 00:18:56.072 --> 00:18:56.132 Mm-hmm 00:18:56.132 --> 00:18:56.133 ... 00:18:56.152 --> 00:18:58.865 the codec, Codex to mobile, and then it's running locally on my device, 00:18:58.865 --> 00:19:00.852 and that's how I'm doing this is I'm like, you know- 00:19:01.832 --> 00:19:01.932 Yeah 00:19:01.932 --> 00:19:01.933 ... 00:19:01.992 --> 00:19:04.933 taking calls, running around, whatever, but then Groq already went 00:19:04.933 --> 00:19:07.696 ahead and pushed everything to the cloud, so you don't have to 00:19:07.696 --> 00:19:09.612 deal about that like infrastructure nuance. 00:19:10.652 --> 00:19:10.852 Yep. 00:19:11.472 --> 00:19:14.512 Yep, and there's so many moments, man, where I get inspired, 00:19:15.752 --> 00:19:17.672 and I'm just not at my computer, 00:19:19.452 --> 00:19:19.652 you know? 00:19:19.692 --> 00:19:20.232 Yeah, usually. 00:19:20.312 --> 00:19:20.932 Usually you're not. 00:19:21.012 --> 00:19:21.192 Usually- 00:19:21.412 --> 00:19:22.032 Usually not, yeah. 00:19:22.992 --> 00:19:24.172 As soon as you step away. 00:19:24.912 --> 00:19:26.232 Yeah, and so now I don't have to like... 00:19:26.572 --> 00:19:30.732 I can just like, I can just pause, bam, and then it's just, it's just done. 00:19:31.052 --> 00:19:35.552 Um, and it'll grab screenshots and, and drop it in the chat too. 00:19:35.732 --> 00:19:36.312 So it'll like... 00:19:36.432 --> 00:19:39.112 'Cause everything's on Vercel, so it'll like, 00:19:40.512 --> 00:19:43.511 it'll look at the preview builds in Vercel, grab 00:19:43.511 --> 00:19:46.072 screenshots, pull that into your session, 00:19:47.252 --> 00:19:48.672 and share that in the chat. 00:19:49.112 --> 00:19:49.352 Um- 00:19:49.412 --> 00:19:49.572 Mm-hmm 00:19:49.852 --> 00:19:49.853 ... 00:19:49.912 --> 00:19:53.672 so that I can kind of see what it looks like without even going to production. 00:19:54.352 --> 00:19:54.532 Mm-hmm. 00:19:55.332 --> 00:19:55.632 So like- 00:19:55.692 --> 00:19:56.572 And get feedback on those 00:19:56.612 --> 00:19:56.613 ... 00:19:56.672 --> 00:20:00.718 it's, if I'm, if I'm not at my computer, I just look at my phone, 00:20:00.718 --> 00:20:03.892 and I want to see what the desktop view looks like. 00:20:04.512 --> 00:20:04.692 Yeah. 00:20:05.292 --> 00:20:08.692 Then it'll drop those screenshots in the chat, the desktop view screenshots. 00:20:08.752 --> 00:20:11.071 I'm like, "Okay, I think this is cool." I don't even have to 00:20:11.071 --> 00:20:12.772 be at a desktop to make sure that it's fine. 00:20:13.532 --> 00:20:13.672 Yeah. 00:20:13.872 --> 00:20:14.752 So like those little like 00:20:16.151 --> 00:20:21.172 kind of like, uh, experiences, uh, really add up. 00:20:21.212 --> 00:20:22.632 They're all these small little things 00:20:23.752 --> 00:20:26.752 that you don't realize how much you miss them until they're gone. 00:20:27.872 --> 00:20:28.072 Yeah. 00:20:28.292 --> 00:20:30.292 Um, like, like today, 'cause I'm out of usage. 00:20:30.972 --> 00:20:31.152 Yeah. 00:20:32.732 --> 00:20:34.092 Now you're back on Codex, and you're like- 00:20:34.152 --> 00:20:34.312 Yeah. 00:20:34.312 --> 00:20:34.313 ... 00:20:34.332 --> 00:20:37.892 "Man, I gotta be at my desktop for this and this and this." 00:20:38.492 --> 00:20:38.792 Yeah. 00:20:39.152 --> 00:20:40.752 I'm like, I'm like dying over here, man. 00:20:40.772 --> 00:20:45.452 I'm like, oh my God, like I can't wait, uh, to get reset, you know? 00:20:45.732 --> 00:20:48.513 But that just proves your point, man, that you, uh, the user 00:20:48.513 --> 00:20:50.692 experience is gonna be the most important part. 00:20:50.732 --> 00:20:52.672 Whether the models or whatever, you know- 00:20:53.192 --> 00:20:53.212 Mm-hmm 00:20:53.212 --> 00:20:53.213 ... 00:20:53.212 --> 00:20:54.352 is gonna go in this cycle. 00:20:54.572 --> 00:20:54.932 But the UI- 00:20:55.252 --> 00:20:55.392 Exactly 00:20:55.432 --> 00:20:55.433 ... 00:20:55.472 --> 00:20:59.672 that user experience of like how easy is it for people to, to use this to ship 00:21:00.952 --> 00:21:01.592 or to use this- 00:21:01.752 --> 00:21:01.772 Mm-hmm 00:21:01.772 --> 00:21:01.773 ... 00:21:01.792 --> 00:21:04.232 to do certain research chains. 00:21:04.652 --> 00:21:04.932 Yeah. 00:21:05.092 --> 00:21:05.812 Whatever your top... 00:21:05.872 --> 00:21:06.132 Yeah. 00:21:06.752 --> 00:21:07.192 Yeah, whatever. 00:21:07.252 --> 00:21:08.212 Automate, automate things. 00:21:08.272 --> 00:21:09.032 GroqBot did that too. 00:21:09.052 --> 00:21:11.012 They put orchestration in and all of that. 00:21:11.412 --> 00:21:11.413 Yeah. 00:21:11.532 --> 00:21:12.732 A lot easier to do with them. 00:21:14.172 --> 00:21:14.872 Yeah, yeah. 00:21:16.092 --> 00:21:18.212 Yeah, so I have a, I have one GroqBot per 00:21:19.352 --> 00:21:19.552 like, 00:21:20.692 --> 00:21:21.072 um... 00:21:21.592 --> 00:21:22.612 I call these microsites. 00:21:23.292 --> 00:21:23.392 Um, 00:21:25.332 --> 00:21:31.272 and I have like one bot per site, and that's kind of how I have it laid out. 00:21:31.632 --> 00:21:36.212 So if I'm doing something for Zywire, I just go to that agent. 00:21:36.272 --> 00:21:37.052 I just go to that bot, 00:21:38.112 --> 00:21:40.992 and, um, it's solely focused on that. 00:21:41.032 --> 00:21:43.432 And then Zygraph is another bot. 00:21:43.792 --> 00:21:49.352 Um, and I like that kind of separation of concerns, and it's been really easy to 00:21:50.392 --> 00:21:50.892 manage. 00:21:51.392 --> 00:21:51.472 Um, 00:21:52.652 --> 00:21:55.772 now, like I said, if I, if I'm running a small startup, 00:21:58.512 --> 00:22:00.932 I don't know if I would use GroqBot as much, um, 00:22:02.112 --> 00:22:05.952 'cause like the multiplayer side of GroqBot hasn't really been fleshed out. 00:22:06.332 --> 00:22:07.732 They haven't really focused on that much. 00:22:08.972 --> 00:22:11.572 I'd probably still use Slack, if I'm being honest, for like this. 00:22:12.132 --> 00:22:13.052 As the integrating? 00:22:13.732 --> 00:22:13.952 Yeah. 00:22:14.012 --> 00:22:16.672 I'd probably be running Devin inside of Slack. 00:22:17.472 --> 00:22:17.692 Yeah. 00:22:18.632 --> 00:22:18.932 And- 00:22:19.012 --> 00:22:19.152 I mean- 00:22:19.212 --> 00:22:19.213 ... 00:22:19.272 --> 00:22:21.932 if I had, if I was collaborating with like three or four other engineers. 00:22:22.592 --> 00:22:22.792 Yeah. 00:22:24.492 --> 00:22:28.032 I mean, even the Codex to Codex or the Claude to Claude isn't like great. 00:22:28.071 --> 00:22:30.727 Like, we have our own internal network that we built for that, and 00:22:30.727 --> 00:22:33.382 then we'll just ping each other back and forth, and you, you know, 00:22:33.382 --> 00:22:34.992 that would tie it in with GitHub to get- 00:22:35.012 --> 00:22:35.272 Mm-hmm 00:22:35.272 --> 00:22:35.273 ... 00:22:35.312 --> 00:22:36.092 PRs or signals. 00:22:36.512 --> 00:22:38.792 But even that's like a big gap with- 00:22:38.992 --> 00:22:39.072 Mm 00:22:40.212 --> 00:22:40.213 ... 00:22:40.252 --> 00:22:40.372 how... 00:22:40.732 --> 00:22:43.599 That's a little bit of what we're trying to do too 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:45.892 with HiRey, is kind of like multiplayer. 00:22:46.332 --> 00:22:49.832 Um, you know, use MCP server, carry AI connected. 00:22:49.892 --> 00:22:52.152 Okay, your use case for AI this time is networking. 00:22:52.652 --> 00:22:54.592 Uh, let's do multiplayer ChatGPT, 00:22:55.692 --> 00:22:56.992 and they haven't gotten there yet. 00:22:57.532 --> 00:22:58.352 Seems like a big gap. 00:22:59.372 --> 00:22:59.732 Yes. 00:23:00.252 --> 00:23:00.812 I, I agree. 00:23:01.212 --> 00:23:01.292 Um, 00:23:02.472 --> 00:23:02.652 what is- 00:23:02.652 --> 00:23:02.732 It's a program 00:23:02.772 --> 00:23:02.773 ... 00:23:02.792 --> 00:23:05.332 what is your goal with, uh, with HiRey? 00:23:05.372 --> 00:23:08.472 I'm just curious, like what are you, what are you guys trying to achieve really? 00:23:10.072 --> 00:23:10.572 Networking. 00:23:10.892 --> 00:23:14.297 Networking through an MCP or networking through agent mediated 00:23:14.297 --> 00:23:17.152 networking would be kind of like the tagline for it. 00:23:17.492 --> 00:23:17.992 So 00:23:19.172 --> 00:23:20.632 a lot of people... 00:23:22.032 --> 00:23:25.482 I'm not, I'm not 30 yet, but I noticed a lot of people, like in their 00:23:25.482 --> 00:23:28.132 20s, they don't really like LinkedIn so much anymore. 00:23:28.752 --> 00:23:28.792 Mm-hmm. 00:23:28.832 --> 00:23:30.912 It's kind of like what I, what I'm finding. 00:23:31.552 --> 00:23:31.732 Mm-hmm. 00:23:32.472 --> 00:23:36.774 So, and then you have X, which is good for consuming content, 00:23:36.774 --> 00:23:40.512 keeping up to date on the news, uh, things like that. 00:23:40.672 --> 00:23:44.832 Reddit's good for other types of like, you know, these specialized niche use cases. 00:23:44.872 --> 00:23:46.946 You wanna dig deep into a specific topic and 00:23:46.946 --> 00:23:48.832 like actually get responses from people, 00:23:49.852 --> 00:23:51.052 Reddit's good for that. 00:23:51.532 --> 00:23:51.672 Mm-hmm. 00:23:51.732 --> 00:23:54.295 But I think the gap is there's not a lot of platforms 00:23:54.295 --> 00:23:56.472 that are focused on like making a connection- 00:23:57.712 --> 00:23:57.732 Yeah 00:23:57.732 --> 00:23:57.733 ... 00:23:57.772 --> 00:23:59.212 and that's what HiRey wants to do. 00:23:59.592 --> 00:24:03.112 I mean, LinkedIn used to be a little better for that, I feel like. 00:24:03.852 --> 00:24:06.372 Turned into like the recruitment thing or whatever, but it's not really... 00:24:06.832 --> 00:24:07.732 I don't find LinkedIn great. 00:24:07.772 --> 00:24:11.763 Like if I want to talk with somebody like you, like your- Really kind 00:24:11.763 --> 00:24:14.944 of at the cutting edge of AI, uh, developer tech focus. 00:24:15.004 --> 00:24:19.129 Like, if I want to connect with people like that, um, be it to just have a chat 00:24:19.129 --> 00:24:23.410 like this, talk about what you're building, or if I want to find people that match 00:24:23.410 --> 00:24:27.639 my kind of profile to, like, go play tennis on the weekends, there's not a lot of 00:24:27.639 --> 00:24:29.884 platforms that I could use to help do that. 00:24:29.924 --> 00:24:31.204 There's Meetup, right? 00:24:31.244 --> 00:24:31.844 And there's LinkedIn. 00:24:31.884 --> 00:24:32.084 Yeah. 00:24:32.544 --> 00:24:34.284 I don't particularly like either of those platforms. 00:24:34.664 --> 00:24:35.044 I think that's what- 00:24:35.064 --> 00:24:35.124 Yeah 00:24:35.184 --> 00:24:35.185 ... 00:24:35.244 --> 00:24:35.904 HiRey's trying to do. 00:24:37.124 --> 00:24:37.664 That's cool, man. 00:24:38.264 --> 00:24:38.304 Um- 00:24:39.444 --> 00:24:39.624 Yeah. 00:24:39.624 --> 00:24:41.744 I, I think there's definitely a gap in the market for it. 00:24:41.864 --> 00:24:42.004 Uh, 00:24:44.204 --> 00:24:45.484 um, I think, 00:24:46.744 --> 00:24:47.024 mm... 00:24:50.944 --> 00:24:51.724 I-- Well, you know what's funny? 00:24:52.204 --> 00:24:52.744 Is I do think 00:24:54.424 --> 00:24:57.384 this is incredibly useful and 00:24:58.604 --> 00:25:00.304 has a clear space 00:25:01.744 --> 00:25:02.564 in the industry. 00:25:04.324 --> 00:25:09.004 I do feel like the-- even in tech, most people are still 00:25:11.304 --> 00:25:14.064 not far, not as far along as, as you might think. 00:25:14.264 --> 00:25:14.764 And so 00:25:16.604 --> 00:25:21.390 I, I do feel like, like X is kind of a, a bubble, but there are 00:25:21.390 --> 00:25:25.644 bubbles inside of the bubble, where it's like you're so, 00:25:27.784 --> 00:25:28.524 like, locked in. 00:25:29.384 --> 00:25:29.624 Yeah. 00:25:30.464 --> 00:25:34.864 And clearly you guys are, that you almost fail to realize that 00:25:37.204 --> 00:25:41.164 people haven't even gotten used to these personal agents yet. 00:25:42.684 --> 00:25:43.444 No, that's still new. 00:25:43.664 --> 00:25:44.444 Like, I'm really used to- 00:25:44.524 --> 00:25:44.525 Yeah. 00:25:44.544 --> 00:25:47.744 We were used to that, like, six months ago, three months ago, I think. 00:25:48.404 --> 00:25:48.624 Right. 00:25:49.384 --> 00:25:51.584 And people still haven't arrived. 00:25:53.504 --> 00:25:53.505 Yeah. 00:25:53.544 --> 00:25:56.924 People in the industry, people in, in tech, people that I work with. 00:25:57.444 --> 00:25:57.445 Yeah. 00:25:57.504 --> 00:25:59.484 People that I've worked with in the past. 00:26:00.024 --> 00:26:03.244 Like, I've been in the industry for, you know, 13 years now, and so-- 00:26:04.404 --> 00:26:07.312 and I've worked at a lot of different companies, and I'm telling you, 00:26:07.312 --> 00:26:09.926 like, the majority of people I know who are engineers, who are 00:26:09.926 --> 00:26:12.244 designers, who've worked in this, in this ind- industry 00:26:13.524 --> 00:26:15.204 haven't arrived yet. 00:26:15.364 --> 00:26:16.324 That's crazy. 00:26:16.344 --> 00:26:17.064 The majority of them. 00:26:18.624 --> 00:26:22.344 And so we're, like, we're building these use cases for 00:26:23.664 --> 00:26:26.964 agents to act on behalf of their, their owners, 00:26:28.784 --> 00:26:33.364 and I think that's fantastic, but it's also important to 00:26:35.604 --> 00:26:38.864 do the education and the onboarding to the agents themselves. 00:26:39.484 --> 00:26:39.644 Uh-huh. 00:26:40.664 --> 00:26:41.884 And not just focus on 00:26:42.924 --> 00:26:43.644 the actual, 00:26:45.724 --> 00:26:45.904 um, 00:26:47.564 --> 00:26:49.224 like, layer on top of these agents. 00:26:49.944 --> 00:26:56.204 I, I think it's gonna be really important for you guys to focus on the zero to one 00:26:57.304 --> 00:26:57.464 with- 00:26:57.624 --> 00:26:57.744 Uh-huh 00:26:57.744 --> 00:26:57.745 ... 00:26:57.844 --> 00:26:58.764 human and agent, 00:27:00.924 --> 00:27:03.284 as well as the use case for HiRey. 00:27:04.924 --> 00:27:05.904 What, what do you mean by that? 00:27:06.744 --> 00:27:10.144 So what I mean is, if someone has toyed around with 00:27:11.264 --> 00:27:12.224 GroqBot or, 00:27:13.644 --> 00:27:17.899 uh, Duet or Dot or Instinct, right, but they haven't really 00:27:17.899 --> 00:27:21.144 incorporated it into their, their daily life. 00:27:21.384 --> 00:27:22.124 If it's not really- 00:27:22.204 --> 00:27:22.205 Wow 00:27:22.204 --> 00:27:22.205 ... 00:27:22.204 --> 00:27:24.964 a habit, you wanna, you wanna make sure you're making, 00:27:26.224 --> 00:27:28.989 uh, it obvious why these agents would be like a 00:27:28.989 --> 00:27:31.224 habitual kind of thing to engage with. 00:27:31.904 --> 00:27:32.184 Yeah. 00:27:33.424 --> 00:27:35.584 Because so many people haven't figured that out yet. 00:27:36.104 --> 00:27:36.284 Yeah, but they- 00:27:36.304 --> 00:27:37.624 And that's where I feel like-- No. 00:27:37.944 --> 00:27:38.724 And that's where I feel like- 00:27:38.724 --> 00:27:38.725 Yeah 00:27:38.744 --> 00:27:38.745 ... 00:27:38.764 --> 00:27:41.024 the huge opportunity is for you guys, is like, really- 00:27:41.084 --> 00:27:41.444 Yeah 00:27:41.444 --> 00:27:41.445 ... 00:27:41.464 --> 00:27:44.217 and anyone in this space, really, who's building these 00:27:44.217 --> 00:27:46.664 tools for agents, is making sure that you're not 00:27:47.744 --> 00:27:52.264 forgetting the majority of people are behind. 00:27:53.564 --> 00:27:53.964 They are. 00:27:54.424 --> 00:27:54.524 They are. 00:27:54.544 --> 00:27:54.924 You know? 00:27:55.564 --> 00:27:59.084 I mean, I was so unsurprised when, when GPT Dots came out. 00:27:59.164 --> 00:28:00.384 I couldn't even, like, express it. 00:28:00.404 --> 00:28:01.324 I was like, "Oh, Dots came out. 00:28:01.364 --> 00:28:03.644 Yeah, like, of course." Like, I was waiting for that. 00:28:03.684 --> 00:28:06.124 Like, fucking finally, finally. 00:28:06.244 --> 00:28:06.604 Yes. 00:28:07.804 --> 00:28:10.264 Now I don't have to do all these workarounds to get this done. 00:28:10.304 --> 00:28:12.244 Like, finally, you guys just put it in the app for me. 00:28:12.424 --> 00:28:12.964 But then other people- 00:28:12.964 --> 00:28:13.084 Mm-hmm 00:28:13.084 --> 00:28:13.085 ... 00:28:13.344 --> 00:28:14.204 are, like, you know. 00:28:14.744 --> 00:28:15.024 Mm-hmm. 00:28:15.804 --> 00:28:17.744 They're not-- They haven't hit the adoption stage yet. 00:28:18.424 --> 00:28:19.224 It's a good point. 00:28:20.264 --> 00:28:20.504 Yeah. 00:28:21.544 --> 00:28:21.744 Yeah. 00:28:22.864 --> 00:28:24.734 Uh, and it, it seems like you guys are doing just 00:28:24.734 --> 00:28:26.184 fine, but, uh, just keep that in mind. 00:28:26.304 --> 00:28:26.563 That's all. 00:28:26.584 --> 00:28:27.344 That's my only advice. 00:28:27.924 --> 00:28:28.604 No, we're early. 00:28:28.784 --> 00:28:29.164 No, you're right. 00:28:29.204 --> 00:28:29.764 We are early. 00:28:29.904 --> 00:28:33.426 That's kind of the other thing is like, okay, we're in October, we started 00:28:33.426 --> 00:28:36.424 doing, like, we started doing that fir- agent media networking, 00:28:37.484 --> 00:28:41.484 um, really when AI agents were only Hermes and OpenClau. 00:28:42.284 --> 00:28:42.404 Mm-hmm. 00:28:42.484 --> 00:28:46.564 And at that point, it was such a pain to get OpenClau set up. 00:28:46.604 --> 00:28:49.246 You had the whole Mac Mini thing happening and blah, blah, 00:28:49.246 --> 00:28:51.524 blah, and now we're at Dots now, six months later. 00:28:52.024 --> 00:28:52.104 Yeah. 00:28:52.104 --> 00:28:52.984 Mm-hmm. 00:28:53.024 --> 00:28:54.624 So what do the next six months look like? 00:28:54.804 --> 00:28:55.864 I really-- I don't know, man. 00:28:55.904 --> 00:28:59.636 My, my, my other co-founder, our, our primary founder, he, he's got a good thumb on 00:28:59.636 --> 00:29:03.324 the pulse, I think, but I can't, I can't guess what the next six months look like. 00:29:03.544 --> 00:29:03.904 I don't know. 00:29:04.084 --> 00:29:04.264 Mm-hmm. 00:29:05.644 --> 00:29:05.744 Yeah. 00:29:05.804 --> 00:29:05.944 Yeah. 00:29:06.804 --> 00:29:08.184 I, I, I do feel like 00:29:10.544 --> 00:29:12.004 you're, you're going to see, 00:29:13.604 --> 00:29:13.844 um, 00:29:16.224 --> 00:29:16.324 like, 00:29:17.844 --> 00:29:18.604 probably an avalanche. 00:29:18.764 --> 00:29:20.844 I don't know, I don't know what the catalyst is gonna be. 00:29:20.964 --> 00:29:25.244 It maybe it is Duet, um, because it's, it's in, it's research preview right now. 00:29:25.984 --> 00:29:28.576 Um, but when it's like, when there's a general 00:29:28.576 --> 00:29:31.224 release, general availability release for Duet, 00:29:32.244 --> 00:29:32.544 um, 00:29:34.404 --> 00:29:35.624 coin- if that coincides with 00:29:36.804 --> 00:29:37.564 Anthropic's IPO- 00:29:38.904 --> 00:29:39.484 Mm-hmm. 00:29:40.304 --> 00:29:40.524 Mm-hmm 00:29:40.524 --> 00:29:40.525 ... 00:29:40.964 --> 00:29:45.402 that might be the moment where it's like, oh, all these people that I, I just 00:29:45.402 --> 00:29:49.724 described, who I've worked with and aren't using agents, they're all, like, 00:29:50.744 --> 00:29:51.904 heavy users of Claude. 00:29:52.784 --> 00:29:53.464 And so 00:29:55.284 --> 00:29:59.484 as, as soon as the, the most popular, 00:30:02.064 --> 00:30:05.068 like, lab has its agent out there for everyone to 00:30:05.068 --> 00:30:07.704 use, and it's just, like, there for them to 00:30:09.104 --> 00:30:14.844 consume, I feel like that might be a huge moment for these 00:30:15.984 --> 00:30:16.364 agent 00:30:18.020 --> 00:30:20.360 Agent first kind of interfaces and, and, and products. 00:30:20.820 --> 00:30:20.980 Um, 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:23.720 because I feel like, 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:26.780 I think Dots was kind of a flop. 00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:29.980 Uh, Muse is 00:30:32.860 --> 00:30:35.560 very targeted on, like, Meta's ecosystem. 00:30:37.600 --> 00:30:38.060 And 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:43.480 GroqBot, a lot of people don't wanna use even though it's amazing because- 00:30:43.540 --> 00:30:43.600 Mm-hmm 00:30:43.600 --> 00:30:43.601 ... 00:30:43.620 --> 00:30:44.260 they don't like Yon. 00:30:45.080 --> 00:30:45.240 Mm-hmm. 00:30:45.380 --> 00:30:47.720 So there's a lot of people who are just like, "You know what? 00:30:48.340 --> 00:30:51.780 I don't wanna deal with this guy." Um, and 00:30:53.180 --> 00:30:53.900 so they don't wanna 00:30:55.080 --> 00:30:56.680 buy into the GroqBot ecosystem. 00:30:57.420 --> 00:31:00.660 And so I think there is an opportunity, uh, 00:31:02.140 --> 00:31:04.128 just like sitting there for Anthropic to come in 00:31:04.128 --> 00:31:05.660 and, like, really crush it with Duet. 00:31:06.840 --> 00:31:08.940 And then, and then the floodgates might open up. 00:31:09.780 --> 00:31:10.100 Yeah. 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:11.120 Yeah. 00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:12.780 It could be a home run. 00:31:13.560 --> 00:31:13.780 Mm-hmm. 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.080 The security concern is what got me with Muse, man. 00:31:17.360 --> 00:31:18.120 That was the th- I know- 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:18.161 Yes 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:18.161 ... 00:31:18.220 --> 00:31:20.299 most people prob- most people aren't gonna care over 00:31:20.299 --> 00:31:22.139 that, but I'm like, okay, this is my WhatsApp. 00:31:22.520 --> 00:31:25.758 I get spam stuff all, you know, we all, everybody in tech see, you know, 00:31:25.758 --> 00:31:28.996 you see phishing emails day in, day out or whatever, and then it's like, 00:31:28.996 --> 00:31:31.020 oh, you want full, you wanna give my WhatsApp 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.980 full discreet access and its own agent. 00:31:37.760 --> 00:31:38.260 No, thanks. 00:31:39.140 --> 00:31:41.680 How, how long till my social security's out there? 00:31:41.760 --> 00:31:42.540 Like, I don't know, man. 00:31:42.600 --> 00:31:44.220 I couldn't, I couldn't swallow that, man. 00:31:44.840 --> 00:31:45.060 I couldn't- 00:31:45.120 --> 00:31:45.140 Yeah 00:31:45.140 --> 00:31:45.141 ... 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.700 swallow that as, as a necessity for running it on a basic level. 00:31:48.120 --> 00:31:51.634 I totally see the value to, like, not, not letting it have that and then, uh, just 00:31:51.634 --> 00:31:55.191 letting it, you know, letting the agent run things out of your WhatsApp or schedule 00:31:55.191 --> 00:31:58.620 whatever, whatever the heck you wanna do with it, but that full discreet access, 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:00.520 couldn't do it. 00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:01.820 Couldn't do it. 00:32:01.860 --> 00:32:02.080 Yeah. 00:32:03.120 --> 00:32:03.260 Yeah. 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:05.640 Where do you think price- 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:06.161 Yeah. 00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:06.840 Where do you think price go? 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:07.820 I gotta get your read on this. 00:32:07.900 --> 00:32:08.580 I gotta get your read on this. 00:32:09.100 --> 00:32:12.000 Where do you think pri- so price, like, where everybody- 00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:12.501 Mm-hmm 00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:12.501 ... 00:32:12.520 --> 00:32:15.140 if you really wanna use these platforms now, you pretty much need the max. 00:32:15.860 --> 00:32:18.203 If you're using them in tech like how we are, like, you're actively building it, I 00:32:18.203 --> 00:32:20.260 feel like you need the max plan, so you gotta get the $100 a month plan. 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:20.721 Yeah. 00:32:20.740 --> 00:32:23.700 Six months ago, $20 a month plan can kinda get you where you're going. 00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:24.620 One- 00:32:24.620 --> 00:32:24.640 Mm-hmm 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:24.641 ... 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:26.280 do you see price going up more? 00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:30.427 And then two, with the additional context today, you, I'm assuming you're up to 00:32:30.427 --> 00:32:33.300 date on it, but you have, like, the CapEx kind of spending- 00:32:33.740 --> 00:32:33.780 Mm-hmm 00:32:33.780 --> 00:32:33.781 ... 00:32:33.800 --> 00:32:36.642 market today, just, just today, man, yeah, yesterday, uh, Amazon and 00:32:36.642 --> 00:32:38.940 Google are down, like, 10% each or something like that. 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:40.360 Intel's down, like, 10% today. 00:32:40.800 --> 00:32:42.520 What do you see, what do you, what do you think about all that? 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:46.700 I think that's a reaction to 00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:50.780 the elections that are coming next week. 00:32:51.460 --> 00:32:51.680 Mm-hmm. 00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:53.280 So I think 00:32:54.580 --> 00:32:55.180 this is a, 00:32:58.140 --> 00:32:59.540 like, kind of 00:33:00.820 --> 00:33:02.820 macroeconomic, uh, hedge- 00:33:03.740 --> 00:33:03.960 Mm-hmm 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:03.961 ... 00:33:05.040 --> 00:33:05.220 uh, 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.000 to the election, the midterm elections next Tuesday. 00:33:09.620 --> 00:33:09.680 Mm-hmm. 00:33:09.740 --> 00:33:13.720 So I wouldn't be surprised that there was, like, a, a huge dip, um, in the market. 00:33:14.180 --> 00:33:18.345 You could, depending upon what happens on Tuesday, you could see it 00:33:18.345 --> 00:33:22.200 bounce, uh, back, or you could see it drop considerably lower. 00:33:24.260 --> 00:33:24.261 Mm-hmm. 00:33:24.300 --> 00:33:24.500 Yeah. 00:33:24.500 --> 00:33:29.460 Uh, so you know, no one really knows which is why this happened in the first place. 00:33:29.520 --> 00:33:30.100 That's my opinion. 00:33:30.760 --> 00:33:31.000 Yeah. 00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:33.973 Um, I think it has less to do with the AI bubble and more to 00:33:33.973 --> 00:33:36.240 do with just, like, the political, like, cycles. 00:33:37.120 --> 00:33:41.500 Um, there's always a big dip before midterm and general elections in the US. 00:33:42.300 --> 00:33:42.360 Um. 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:44.020 Yeah. 00:33:44.540 --> 00:33:44.700 Yeah. 00:33:44.760 --> 00:33:45.400 Not surprised there. 00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:46.420 I, I think price, 00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:50.040 I think price stabilizes. 00:33:50.140 --> 00:33:52.520 I don't, I don't see it going up. 00:33:52.580 --> 00:33:53.700 I definitely don't see it going down. 00:33:54.560 --> 00:33:54.980 Um, 00:33:56.300 --> 00:33:57.160 if anything, 00:33:58.480 --> 00:33:58.880 I see, 00:34:00.820 --> 00:34:00.980 um, 00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:06.400 it going up 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:08.820 because of 00:34:11.860 --> 00:34:16.060 their, like, market share becoming more dispersed. 00:34:16.140 --> 00:34:17.280 So, like, if you think about 00:34:20.140 --> 00:34:23.224 how easy it's becoming for companies like Notion to run 00:34:23.224 --> 00:34:26.140 cheaper models and provide a really good experience. 00:34:27.040 --> 00:34:27.320 Um, 00:34:28.740 --> 00:34:29.800 like how many people who... 00:34:30.040 --> 00:34:31.240 Like Notion has so many users. 00:34:31.660 --> 00:34:35.020 It's like, how many people are gonna get by with just using Notion? 00:34:35.640 --> 00:34:37.500 What if Notion releases their own agent? 00:34:38.560 --> 00:34:40.840 Do you like how they integrated these models in there? 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.060 I don't, I don't love it. 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:42.620 I really- 00:34:42.680 --> 00:34:42.800 No, no 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:42.801 ... 00:34:42.820 --> 00:34:43.340 wanna love it. 00:34:44.100 --> 00:34:44.800 I wanna love it- 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:44.881 Yeah 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:44.881 ... 00:34:44.900 --> 00:34:47.620 'cause I'm like, dude, it makes so much sense to have my Notion- 00:34:47.680 --> 00:34:47.720 Yeah 00:34:47.720 --> 00:34:47.721 ... 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.340 tightly integrated with my agents, but I haven't cracked that, that yet. 00:34:51.820 --> 00:34:51.920 No, but- 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:52.580 Did you crack it? 00:34:53.200 --> 00:34:53.500 Yeah. 00:34:53.600 --> 00:34:53.740 No. 00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:54.660 I, I, I, I, no. 00:34:55.520 --> 00:34:56.080 I will say though, 00:34:57.660 --> 00:34:59.540 they've hired some of the s- like- 00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:00.000 Yeah 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:00.001 ... 00:35:00.720 --> 00:35:04.400 smartest designers, like, that I respect. 00:35:05.600 --> 00:35:05.720 Uh- 00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:06.300 Absolutely 00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:06.301 ... 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:11.444 and s- like, over the past year, so I feel like they are trending towards figuring 00:35:11.444 --> 00:35:14.840 a lot of this out, and I think it, things have gotten better. 00:35:15.160 --> 00:35:17.380 Still not anywhere near where it needs to be. 00:35:18.160 --> 00:35:19.220 Um, but 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.200 I, just from the talent they've, 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:23.620 uh, 00:35:24.980 --> 00:35:25.580 basically 00:35:26.600 --> 00:35:30.340 been able to consume, I think they're gonna get there. 00:35:31.100 --> 00:35:33.220 Um, but I, I just bring that up because 00:35:34.700 --> 00:35:37.454 they have a lot of trust and a lot of users, and so, and 00:35:37.454 --> 00:35:39.520 they can get away of running cheap models. 00:35:39.600 --> 00:35:40.020 So it's like 00:35:41.380 --> 00:35:44.422 if you, going back to your point about having to ne- 00:35:44.422 --> 00:35:46.820 having to have a max plan, maybe I don't. 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.880 If Notion releases an agent and it's really damn good, and they're charging me- 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:52.160 25 00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:52.161 ... 00:35:52.180 --> 00:35:52.540 $50 a month- 00:35:53.420 --> 00:35:53.480 Yeah 00:35:53.500 --> 00:35:53.501 ... 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.360 25 to 50, then I might cancel my max plan. 00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:57.560 N-not me personally- 00:35:58.100 --> 00:35:58.101 Yeah 00:35:58.100 --> 00:35:58.101 ... 00:35:58.120 --> 00:36:00.240 'cause I, 'cause I'm a, 'cause I build stuff. 00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:04.877 But, like, if I'm just a creator, a content creator, I might 00:36:04.877 --> 00:36:08.740 cancel the max plan from Claude and just use Notion. 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:13.780 Um, so if anything, I feel like Anthropic and OpenAI will increase 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.626 prices because they'll be, they'll lose users, and so they're gonna 00:36:17.626 --> 00:36:19.820 try and make more money from the people that remain. 00:36:20.580 --> 00:36:20.980 Um, 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:22.680 um- 00:36:23.740 --> 00:36:27.600 But I, I don't see that happening anytime soon, to be honest. 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:28.801 Yeah. 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:29.840 I think it's gonna be pretty flat. 00:36:30.580 --> 00:36:31.800 They're not gonna drop users. 00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:32.720 No, not, not quite yet. 00:36:32.780 --> 00:36:33.380 Not anytime soon. 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:34.220 Not, not at this moment. 00:36:34.720 --> 00:36:34.820 No. 00:36:35.560 --> 00:36:35.700 Yeah. 00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:37.940 Now, fast-forward a year from now, again- 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:38.001 Yeah 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:38.001 ... 00:36:38.020 --> 00:36:41.080 like, like I said, you think about the talent that Notion has acquired. 00:36:41.860 --> 00:36:42.080 Yeah. 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:43.720 The, the trajectory that they're on, 00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:45.520 the cost of, 00:36:46.900 --> 00:36:49.962 like, open weight models or the improvement of open weight 00:36:49.962 --> 00:36:52.180 models, and the cost of models going down. 00:36:54.300 --> 00:36:55.980 A year from now, I could totally see them having a, 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.820 a killer, like, personal agent. 00:37:00.560 --> 00:37:01.680 That's what they got everyone to. 00:37:01.700 --> 00:37:02.020 I totally see that. 00:37:02.080 --> 00:37:04.640 It was a pretty-- it's a pretty bad personal agent. 00:37:04.720 --> 00:37:06.960 Of the personal agents that we've seen, No- I don't know. 00:37:07.020 --> 00:37:08.540 I, I don't wanna rip on it. 00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:08.840 Mm. 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.062 Still a great product, but, like, I d- I, I don't like how 00:37:11.062 --> 00:37:12.680 they integrated the personal agent with it. 00:37:12.740 --> 00:37:13.260 I don't, I don't... 00:37:13.680 --> 00:37:14.240 Especially there's... 00:37:14.300 --> 00:37:14.920 Yeah, but you're right. 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:15.840 You give it a, give 'em a year. 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:16.380 Who knows what they're gonna do? 00:37:16.420 --> 00:37:16.820 Give 'em a year. 00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:17.420 Yeah. 00:37:17.980 --> 00:37:18.160 Mm-hmm. 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:19.180 Yeah. 00:37:20.680 --> 00:37:20.840 Yeah. 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:20.960 Mm-hmm. 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:26.740 Yeah, so I, uh, think about, I think about Notion, I think about Slack. 00:37:28.980 --> 00:37:31.700 Uh, there's a huge opportunity for Slack to figure something out on their own. 00:37:34.200 --> 00:37:37.040 And we still haven't seen a competitor to Slack, really. 00:37:39.100 --> 00:37:39.220 No. 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:39.860 Yeah. 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:40.620 There's nothing. 00:37:40.780 --> 00:37:41.420 It's kinda weird. 00:37:42.120 --> 00:37:42.260 Right? 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:42.900 Salesforce bought... 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:44.580 Right, so that was a good buy by Salesforce. 00:37:44.620 --> 00:37:46.120 That was a really good buy by Salesforce. 00:37:46.640 --> 00:37:46.980 Mm-hmm. 00:37:47.160 --> 00:37:47.380 Mm-hmm. 00:37:48.060 --> 00:37:48.061 Um- 00:37:48.080 --> 00:37:48.860 But no one's competed. 00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:49.420 That's crazy. 00:37:50.740 --> 00:37:51.720 Yeah, it is weird. 00:37:52.200 --> 00:37:54.480 I mean, I'm really, I'm racking my brain right now as we're talking. 00:37:54.540 --> 00:37:55.400 I mean, there's nothing. 00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:57.280 There's, yeah, there's nothing at all. 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.940 Oh, well, there's, there is one called... 00:38:01.080 --> 00:38:02.480 It's not in the Western market, though. 00:38:02.720 --> 00:38:03.800 There's a good one called Lark. 00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:05.160 Uh, we, uh- 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:06.001 Ooh 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:06.001 ... 00:38:06.040 --> 00:38:08.277 we had some Chinese investors, so they decided to go with 00:38:08.277 --> 00:38:10.160 Lark, 'cause over in Asia they like to use that. 00:38:10.700 --> 00:38:10.760 Yeah. 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.160 Lark is, Lark is sick. 00:38:12.700 --> 00:38:13.280 Lark is sick. 00:38:13.660 --> 00:38:13.680 Mm-hmm. 00:38:13.680 --> 00:38:15.300 But it hasn't reached the We- the West yet. 00:38:16.160 --> 00:38:16.320 Okay. 00:38:17.380 --> 00:38:17.820 Interesting. 00:38:19.820 --> 00:38:20.240 The API- 00:38:20.260 --> 00:38:20.261 Mm-hmm 00:38:20.260 --> 00:38:20.261 ... 00:38:20.300 --> 00:38:22.647 doesn't integrate as cleanly or, or as openly with, uh, 00:38:22.647 --> 00:38:24.440 GPT or whatever, but you know what I mean. 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:24.980 Like, if you- 00:38:25.020 --> 00:38:25.420 Yeah, yeah. 00:38:26.120 --> 00:38:26.300 Yeah. 00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:27.020 They... 00:38:27.460 --> 00:38:29.920 You just custom code something if you really wanted to get it done. 00:38:30.720 --> 00:38:31.280 The, uh... 00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:34.020 That's a cool name. 00:38:34.620 --> 00:38:35.040 Yeah. 00:38:35.060 --> 00:38:36.280 But yeah, that's, that's really it, man. 00:38:36.380 --> 00:38:36.540 Um... 00:38:39.560 --> 00:38:41.740 Lark is like if Notion and Slack had a baby. 00:38:42.060 --> 00:38:42.560 There you go. 00:38:43.820 --> 00:38:43.920 Gotcha. 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:44.980 The minimalist design. 00:38:45.740 --> 00:38:46.080 Oh. 00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:47.580 I already like it. 00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:50.060 That's like, kind of a pitch, right? 00:38:50.100 --> 00:38:50.400 Yeah. 00:38:50.580 --> 00:38:50.760 Yeah. 00:38:51.700 --> 00:38:52.780 You, you had me at minimalist. 00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:53.660 Yeah. 00:38:54.940 --> 00:38:58.920 I mean, we're really kinda, you know, kinda like you said, like X has its bubble. 00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:04.120 Like in the West, man, we have a pretty solid bubble around ourselves too, you know? 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:04.500 Mm-hmm. 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:05.060 Mm-hmm. 00:39:06.520 --> 00:39:06.680 Yeah. 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.040 It's definitely like the, the bubble of kinda the world, I guess. 00:39:12.100 --> 00:39:16.380 With like, you know, the SF is technological dominance is still- 00:39:16.940 --> 00:39:17.320 Yeah. 00:39:17.380 --> 00:39:17.740 Oh, yeah, yeah 00:39:18.220 --> 00:39:18.221 ... 00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:19.000 and just views and- 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:19.480 It's crazy. 00:39:19.640 --> 00:39:19.760 Yep. 00:39:20.680 --> 00:39:21.000 Yeah. 00:39:21.060 --> 00:39:21.520 It's insane. 00:39:21.560 --> 00:39:21.740 Yeah. 00:39:22.780 --> 00:39:24.720 Um, yeah. 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:28.620 Well, man, I'm gonna have to, I have to run soon, but anything else I can help with? 00:39:28.700 --> 00:39:29.040 Um- 00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:31.060 If you wanna, I, I'd love to check... 00:39:31.140 --> 00:39:32.520 I wanna check out your X platform. 00:39:32.580 --> 00:39:33.660 I totally wanna try that. 00:39:33.720 --> 00:39:34.840 I wanna get that on my X. 00:39:34.940 --> 00:39:35.080 Yeah, yeah. 00:39:35.120 --> 00:39:35.740 I'm gonna, I'm gonna... 00:39:35.780 --> 00:39:38.160 If you got the download link on your profile, I'm gonna hop on there. 00:39:38.300 --> 00:39:40.460 I'll pe- message you if I have any thoughts on it. 00:39:40.720 --> 00:39:42.180 I'll send you a link after this. 00:39:42.500 --> 00:39:46.420 Uh, I'll give you the, the link to this recording on Drive. 00:39:46.780 --> 00:39:46.980 Mm-hmm. 00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:48.980 I'll send you a link to claim your HiRey profile. 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.120 If you wanna hop in HiRey, uh, give it a whirl. 00:39:52.140 --> 00:39:55.120 If there's anybody you're looking to connect with as, uh, as you're growing. 00:39:55.500 --> 00:39:55.700 I don't... 00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.291 We didn't talk too much about that, but is there like a profile of person that you'd 00:40:00.291 --> 00:40:04.440 like to connect with, like investors or socialize or specific sets of AI users? 00:40:04.660 --> 00:40:04.920 Definitely writers. 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:05.180 Right? 00:40:05.240 --> 00:40:05.620 Writers. 00:40:05.740 --> 00:40:05.880 Writers. 00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:06.920 So the, so the- 00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:07.360 Yeah 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:07.361 ... 00:40:07.860 --> 00:40:12.840 the, the ICP for, for these products, um, like, uh, are writers. 00:40:13.680 --> 00:40:13.920 Huh. 00:40:14.640 --> 00:40:15.080 Yeah, so- 00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:16.420 That's wild. 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.100 Yeah, it's because you think about, like, 00:40:20.160 --> 00:40:22.120 how much sourcing they have to do all the time. 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:22.920 Yeah. 00:40:23.100 --> 00:40:26.795 And so, like, that is kind of a, like part of the, the, the value prop 00:40:26.795 --> 00:40:29.540 is like helping people do sourcing more efficiently. 00:40:30.140 --> 00:40:30.141 Yeah. 00:40:30.200 --> 00:40:31.880 And I have a lot of like, 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:33.240 um, 00:40:34.460 --> 00:40:36.956 like prompts and kind of skills that people can 00:40:36.956 --> 00:40:39.080 use with their agents to, like, leverage 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.150 the platform inside of Claude or inside of, um, you know, GroqBot or 00:40:45.150 --> 00:40:50.051 whatever agent they're using, um, to help them with sourcing and, and 00:40:50.051 --> 00:40:53.460 to monitor trends and, uh, to fact-check things. 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:54.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:40:54.680 --> 00:40:58.278 Um, so they're like, "Hey, did this person say this on this day?" And it's like, 00:40:58.278 --> 00:41:01.920 well, you can look at the historical record on the platform and try and find out. 00:41:03.740 --> 00:41:04.500 That's awesome. 00:41:04.540 --> 00:41:04.541 Yeah. 00:41:04.560 --> 00:41:06.360 We have some academic writers on the platform. 00:41:06.620 --> 00:41:08.620 I interviewed a couple people that were into academia. 00:41:08.680 --> 00:41:08.760 Mm-hmm. 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:10.433 I, I think your version of writer is more like 00:41:10.433 --> 00:41:11.960 along the journalist or, or thought leader- 00:41:12.020 --> 00:41:13.320 Yeah, more, more so journalist. 00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:14.920 Yeah, yeah. 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:15.140 Yeah. 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:15.281 Yeah. 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:16.540 Ask, ask the agent, man. 00:41:16.580 --> 00:41:17.700 You can ask it if you're a... 00:41:17.780 --> 00:41:20.580 If you're an AI, "Hey, do you have any writers on the platform?" Um- 00:41:20.740 --> 00:41:20.840 Yeah 00:41:21.060 --> 00:41:21.061 ... 00:41:21.080 --> 00:41:23.960 let me know if it, if it gives you a hit or not, and then I'll keep you in mind. 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:23.961 Okay. 00:41:23.980 --> 00:41:27.696 And if I talk with any writers, uh, kind of in my journeys, I'll, I'll send them 00:41:27.696 --> 00:41:31.180 your way or I'll recommend your, your, your product at least, your project. 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:31.560 Yeah. 00:41:32.060 --> 00:41:32.780 Thank you so much, man. 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:33.280 Appreciate it, man. 00:41:33.560 --> 00:41:34.040 Yeah, send me a link. 00:41:34.040 --> 00:41:34.380 Good job, Daniel. 00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:35.060 All right. 00:41:35.080 --> 00:41:35.400 Cool, man. 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:35.620 All right. 00:41:35.640 --> 00:41:35.860 Take care. 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:36.480 I'll talk to you later. 00:41:36.540 --> 00:41:36.980 Have a great day. 00:41:37.060 --> 00:41:37.160 See ya. 00:41:37.540 --> 00:41:37.541 Bye. 00:41:37.580 --> 00:41:39.260 You too.